Vengeance for my murdere daughter!

[Six-Monts]

One of my vassal killed my daughter and i know who it is. How come i cannot imprison that traitor without relation penalty with all my vassals? I mean come on! Nodoby can seriously take you for a tyrant for arresting the man who commanded the murder of your daughter! How can i bring this scheming bastard to justice?

I know i will spend the rest of his life trying to poison his existence.....

 

[justin6477]

Can you get him excommunicated? That'd be the easy way to do it.

 

[Caewil]

Murder him back by plot.

 

[Me_]

There was a thread about it a while back.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...o-execute-murderers&highlight=blood+for+blood
The conclusion seems to be that execution of murderer was the greatest sin of all in medieval times. Greater than regicide or even pope-cide.

 

[Talq]

It is possible that one day Paradox will put some thought into some of the wacky morality in this game (especially people killing your relatives, and yet 'oh god, horrifying crime' if you kill them). However, at the moment they are taking their sweet time about it.

 

[brxbrx]

Suffer the relation penalty. Face it, you couldn't kill a vassal back then without backlash. Ever. And if you can't arrest him without such a penalty, then that means you don't have substantive proof.

You people need to understand the political implications of executing nobles or other landed characters. It just wasn't done if it could be avoided, and when it was done, there was always backlash.
This was a de facto system meant to ensure that when you get captured, you wouldn't get killed. Nobles didn't kill each other to reinforce a status quo where nobles don't kill each other.

 

[brxbrx]

Not untouchable... You can lock them up, banish them, and even execute them. For -10 relations and a little piety.
If your relations with vassals and other courtiers is so tenuous that a -10 penalty risks rocking the boat, then you shouldn't be doing anything drastic like killing people.

Go and see this thread.

 

[nyah]

The conclusion seems to be that execution of murderer was the greatest sin of all in medieval times.

Not quite. But I can't see why somebody of noble blood should be punished for the work of some nameless assassin. We all know people will say anything under torture.

 

[stars2heaven]

Are you sure? I can usually lock up those who have acted "dishonorably" towards me in these instances. I think it might be possible for you to know who did something without having proof. Having proof is the key to getting a free ticket to lock someone up.

 

[unmerged(494787)]

Lock him up and throw him in the oubliette. Or get him excommunicated. Either way.

 

[Grubnessul]

On foreigners plotting against you, you should at least get some CB. ATM, it's too easy to just spam murder your way up a line of succession of a foreign throne, with not much to fear.

 

[Zireael]

*sigh*

It was rehashed in every possible direction in the blood for blood thread.

 

[Grubnessul]

*sigh*

It was rehashed in every possible direction in the blood for blood thread.

Well, assassinations without consequences is a bit easy...

 

[Six-Monts]

The conclusion seems to be that execution of murderer was the greatest sin of all in medieval times. Greater than regicide or even pope-cide.

No it wasn't. I mean common thieves were often executed, murderers too. Althought I agree with what Brxbrx said about nobles trying not to kill each other, but there are exceptions. If they fight each other "honorably" (watherer honor actually means!), they will probably not kill each other. On the other hand, stabbing a 5 years old daughter of the king was not excusable... I still find it difficult to accept that I can imprison a duke trying to fabricate a claim on another duchy, but can't arrest a baron who commanded the murder of my daughter.

Anyway, i did arrest him, suffered a -10 with my vassals and i'm waiting for him to die in the oubliettes. It happenend just as my new king came into power so i had to make myself loved ($$$) before takig the penalty.

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

I find keeping a stable of foreign and relatively worthless prisoners a good option for this. Free them all when your new king comes, and you can easily get a nice + bonus for being such a nice guy, enough maybe to counter the short reign malus