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I wish that, when you're defending against a war, your vassals would contribute they're full levies if:

They stand to lose titles in the war.
They will become the aggressor's vassal and they like you more than the aggressor.

I know that, when I play a vassal, I will always raise my levies when someone declares war on my liege over my territory. The AI should do the same.

Similarly, if you are pressing a vassals claims, it would be nice if they could join your effort. Or, if they are pressing their own claims against a foreign lord, you could join their effort.
 

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Well I've seen vassals send their own troops a few times to help me out, but it is rare.

With that said completely agree with you on helping a vassal out in a foreign war. Seems kind of weird that I can't help a vassal steal a county to help strengthen the realm.
 

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The only time I've seen a vassal help defend was accidentally, either due to having a retinue or if he was involved in some internal war and his armies were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 

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Great idea.

"What, the Caliph's coming for my lands? He hates my guts and I hate his? Why on earth would I give you more than 200 soldiers to defend me with?"
 

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I'm not too sure about this if I want this. Of course, help is always appreciated, but not when they go off getting massacred and screwing over my warscore. :s

That being said, on principle I do agree that vassals should aid their liege when their own titles are threatened.
 

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There was another thread on this a while ago and I still agree with it. It's silly that vassals don't try to defend themselves from foreign threats. I don't believe they should give all their troops to their liege, I think that they should raise their own soldiers and try to defend themselves when it's their land that is under threat. It'd be great if they CTA allies in the same realm as well.

Edit for the poster above me: I think it'd be great if they went off and ruined your warscore....depending on their traits =) Craven doesn't want to leave his border, brave and loyal may come attach to you, and ambitious/zealous may decide to set off on his own and get slaughtered!

They did a good job modeling disloyal vassals to be your worst enemies, I don't see why loyal ones can't be your best allies.
 

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Yeah, logically, I agree completely.

I always thought it was weird that in holy wars or such, my vassals don't lift a finger to help at all, even though they stand to lose as much as I do, maybe even more since if I tend to have other lands to fall back on and they often don't. On the other hand, it will be a pickle to code and balance. Nevertheless, it's an idea I want to see implemented.
 

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Definitely agree. I believe that defending their holdings is absolutely necessary. Even if they don't care whether you will lose your titles, they care whether their castle will be looted, people killed, cattle stoled, property damaged, buildings put out of commission etc. Plus prestige and pride considerations. This should be top priority, #1, the way I see it.

#2 would be participation in realm defence when the CB doesn't involve the liege as a person (replacing with a claimant, excommunicated ruler etc.) but something along the lines of invasion. Especially by somebody from a foreign religious group or even foreign culture group or even foreign culture (but vassals should be less likely to help a foreign liege especially vs an attack from their own religion and/or culture, that being different from the liege's). Also participation in defence against CBs directed against that particular vassal (claims etc.), or war as an attacker when the liege is pressing that vassal's de iure claims (de iure, not pressing your claim in order to depose your well-beloved elder brother and bring his lands into your liege's vassalage). Fellow dynasty member defence against a claimant from outside the dynasty should probably belong here or even higher. Your heir should be interested in keeping you in power, preventing succession law change via faction system, preventing territory loss, supporting territory acquisition. Husband or lover of a female ruler should generally defend her. I can't imagine husband who is her lover not rushing to defend her unless Craven or something.

#3 would be cases like loyal vassals (high opinion) defending their liege against claimants, kinsmen of liege backing him up in most circumstances, vassals not wanting a rival claimant to succeed (e.g. cruel excommunicated kinslayer) vs their current liege (slothful and gluttonous as he may be). I think strong claimants should be inclined to join your defence against weak claimants when they don't want to press their own claims.

#4 peace-loving vassals might appreciate medium authority and be reluctant to allow a rebellion against it. Bishops could help out with crusades, holy wars, excommunication attacks etc.

#5 your traits, especially Just or Arbitrary, should have some bearing, other than respective opinions. To lower the authority of an Arbitrary king could be tempting even to paragons of virtue. On the other hand, many people would be dissuaded from trying to lower the authority of a Just king without having a selfish reason (or some other plausible reason).

#6 if CB allows land to be taken, the potentially outgoing vassals should take a look at the attacker/claimant's laws and compare taxes and levy sizes.

#7 Noble Customs, Religious Customs, Trade Practices should play some role, possibly tech level (to reflect reluctance to be ruled by a perceived barbarian), especially for Byzzies and Italians.
 

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#4 peace-loving vassals might appreciate medium authority and be reluctant to allow a rebellion against it. Bishops could help out with crusades, holy wars, excommunication attacks etc.

I dun think there are any peace-loving vassals in this game whatsoever, all of them seems bloodthirsty to me... :unsure:
 

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I think an abstracted sense of common assistance comes from there being no "vassal's troops raised to long" malus in a defensive war (and in Crusades). So you can raise the levies and not worry about how long you keep them while you are defending yourselves.

Of course you have to be careful you don't go joining starting or joining anyone else's wars or the malus will start to build up again...

It would be neat if your vassals raised the remaining portions of their Levies to defend their own lands at least. You do see vassal armies popping up but I am never sure if that is just accidental where the vassals are fighting each other...