Vassals fighting each other, realm peace and all that

[Naughtius Maximus]

With conclave. Pretty much every christian realm in my games will go elective well within the first century of play. And will most likely remain elective as to change out of elective you need to neuter the council and have positive opinion something the ai can't do as it is terrible at ck2.

Have you played without conclave? Because it happens even faster since again, vassals have nothing else to faction for that early into the game. As in 5-20 years into the game, before Charlemagne even event kills off his brother.

The mean time to happen is extended much further out with conclave than without as war declaration is a makeshift dam to the factioning.

This isn't even Conclave's fault, but moreso the lack of stuff to faction for increases of vassal power.

 

[SigurdStormhand]

Have you played without conclave? Because it happens even faster since again, vassals have nothing else to faction for that early into the game. As in 5-20 years into the game, before Charlemagne even event kills off his brother.

The mean time to happen is extended much further out with conclave than without as war declaration is a makeshift dam to the factioning.

This isn't even Conclave's fault, but moreso the lack of stuff to faction for increases of vassal power.

Ah, but without Conclave the vassals have to lower Crown Authority, so in many cases they will need to win at least two Faction Wars.

The reason every realm goes elective is because the AI, correctly, sees it as the highest priority change - and without Crown Authority they can faction for it in any realm from Day 1. That means no matter how much you consolidate your power you will always face that faction. Without Conclave the AI is pretty good at raising CA up to Medium, which invalidates the Faction.

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

Ah, but without Conclave the vassals have to lower Crown Authority, so in many cases they will need to win at least two Faction Wars.

The reason every realm goes elective is because the AI, correctly, sees it as the highest priority change - and without Crown Authority they can faction for it in any realm from Day 1. That means no matter how much you consolidate your power you will always face that faction. Without Conclave the AI is pretty good at raising CA up to Medium, which invalidates the Faction.

You do know most realms outside the Byzantines start with zero crown authority right? It's pretty much why HRE and Charlemagne, Carloman, and Lombardy almost always switch to elective within 20 years. Hell they usually switch in 5, before any of them really get to do anything.

With Conclave active they prioritize Council Power, and once it hits War Council factions drop massively in power (let alone firing) as the strongest vassals get locked from factioning. Your "hundred" year timer, except I have seen other government forms exist for 300 years into the game.

 

[SigurdStormhand]

You do know most realms outside the Byzantines start with zero crown authority right? It's pretty much why HRE and Charlemagne, Carloman, and Lombardy almost always switch to elective within 20 years. Hell they usually switch in 5, before any of them really get to do anything.

With Conclave active they prioritize Council Power, and once it hits War Council factions drop massively in power (let alone firing) as the strongest vassals get locked from factioning. Your "hundred" year timer, except I have seen other government forms exist for 300 years into the game.

You do realise that not everyone starts in the SM Start, right?

It's also worth pointing out that, once upon a time, all those realms were elctive anyway - Norman England in 1066 used to be elective, except that William rarely purged his Saxon vassals, so none of his sons tended to get elected after he died. Hence it was switched to primo, which is nonsense historically.

 

[Dakilla TM]

One thing thing you can do is disable conclave and play it that way. I don't have conclave so my goal is always try to get my legalism up quick so I can get absolute crown authority. Call me what you want but I'm a huge sucker for clean and neat borders, especially inside my realm. If you do have an annoying vassal gobbling up your other vassals, then quickly try to revoke the titles. Do this towards the end of your reign as you'll have the long reign modifier so you won't get hated as much.

 

[StarSword]

One thing thing you can do is disable conclave and play it that way. I don't have conclave so my goal is always try to get my legalism up quick so I can get absolute crown authority. Call me what you want but I'm a huge sucker for clean and neat borders, especially inside my realm. If you do have an annoying vassal gobbling up your other vassals, then quickly try to revoke the titles. Do this towards the end of your reign as you'll have the long reign modifier so you won't get hated as much.

Messy internal borders are actually a good thing. They mean your vassals hate each other due to desiring each other's counties and are therefore less effective at factionalism.

 

[Dakilla TM]

Messy internal borders are actually a good thing. They mean your vassals hate each other due to desiring each other's counties and are therefore less effective at factionalism.

True, but it's a giant eyesore for me to look at the Duchy of Normandy owning Bourbon, Koln, Barcelona, but not controlling Eu. Plus eventually one of the vassals will become a blob so I'd rather not have that happen.

 

[stan88]

One thing thing you can do is disable conclave and play it that way. I don't have conclave so my goal is always try to get my legalism up quick so I can get absolute crown authority. Call me what you want but I'm a huge sucker for clean and neat borders, especially inside my realm. If you do have an annoying vassal gobbling up your other vassals, then quickly try to revoke the titles. Do this towards the end of your reign as you'll have the long reign modifier so you won't get hated as much.

Yeah, I should have done it from the beginning but some features in conclave are pretty good. I don't really feel like starting my campaign all over again without conclave because I'm pretty far in. I managed to convert the whole Britain to Norse and was planning to retake Saxony and bring the Old Gods back but alas that vassal thing is too annoying for me to continue.