Vassals core creation/annexion.

[elglanto]

Hello there.

I have a few questions about vassals in 1.8.

Feeding
As far as I understood, while they are more picky on what you can give them, they now fabricate claims on provinces around them. Is that correct?

Diplo-annexing
I read the checksum but I am a bit confused about it. Could someone explain to me what the following mean:
-Speed of annexing/integrating is no longer +1 month per basetax, but progress towards total cost of 10*BT (down from 15, and modified by ) Each month the progress tick is 1, +1 if same religion, +1 if same culture group, and +/-X diplomatic reputation
-Hostile core creation now also adds to the cost of diplo-annexing
-Protectorates no longer transfer occupation to overlord


Thanks for your help.

 

[IIWW]

Hello there.

I have a few questions about vassals in 1.8.

Feeding
As far as I understood, while they are more picky on what you can give them, they now fabricate claims on provinces around them. Is that correct?

Diplo-annexing
I read the checksum but I am a bit confused about it. Could someone explain to me what the following mean:
-Speed of annexing/integrating is no longer +1 month per basetax, but progress towards total cost of 10*BT (down from 15, and modified by ) Each month the progress tick is 1, +1 if same religion, +1 if same culture group, and +/-X diplomatic reputation
-Hostile core creation now also adds to the cost of diplo-annexing
-Protectorates no longer transfer occupation to overlord


Thanks for your help.

As for feeding I don't know, as for D-A
It cost 10 DIP per BT, and it takes x DIP per month. Example: A 10 BT vassal, same relligion, same culture group, You have +3 diprep
It's gonna cost 10*BT=100 DIP, and each month it will take 5 (+1 from relligon, +1 from same culture group, + 3 from Dip Rep) rowards the total of 100, so it would take 100/5=20 months.

 

[stilgarpl]

Before 1.8, there was constant monthly cost when you diploannexed someone. The more BT target had, the longer it took to annex it.
Cost of annexing = cost per month * number of months

Now the cost of annex is constant and equal to 10*BT of all provinces (unless you have Influence ideas, then it's cheaper).
But, the "cost per month" is variable. Base is 1, you get +1 for same culture, +1 for same religion and +X for diplorep.
So, if you have same culture and same religion and your diplorep is 3, then your speed is 1+1+1+3=6. Now, let's say your target has 6BT. Cost is now 60 DIP for annexing it, so it will take 60/6 = 10 months.

 

[Freudia]

As far as I understood, while they are more picky on what you can give them, they now fabricate claims on provinces around them. Is that correct?

I honestly haven't really noticed. This might be correct, but I'm not sure because I don't give my vassals the option. When I go to peace out of wars, I actually transfer occupation of the provinces I was going to give my vassals to my vassals and then just give them the provinces through the peace deal window. Either way, yes, they do fabricate claims on provinces around them now.

-Speed of annexing/integrating is no longer +1 month per basetax, but progress towards total cost of 10*BT (down from 15, and modified by ) Each month the progress tick is 1, +1 if same religion, +1 if same culture group, and +/-X diplomatic reputation

Annexation of vassals is no longer a fixed cost (it used to be 15 each month, with total cost being 15*BT), but is now based on various values. You get +1 to the annexation counter as a base, then you get a bonus +1 for various things like same religion, as well as a +1 for every point of diplomatic reputation you have. So, for example, if you're annexing a vassal who has the same religion as you, and you had three diplomatic reputation, the counter would go up by 5 each month (1 for base, 1 for religion, and 3 for diplomatic reputation). Each 'point' on the counter is one diplo point, so with the aforementioned example, you would spend 5 diplo points each month while annexing your vassal.

-Hostile core creation now also adds to the cost of diplo-annexing

Hostile core creation cost modifiers used to only affect coring costs for provinces you took militarily; they now also apply to the cost of a vassal when you go to integrate it. So if you have a vassal with 30 base tax and it has +100% hostile core creation cost, it would be an effective 60 base tax for the annexation cost. If we go back to our previous example where you spend 5 diplo points a month annexing your vassal, it would take five years to annex your vassal.

 

[Prom_STar]

Yes vassals now fabricate claims. Marches do so more aggressively than regular vassals.

Before 1.8 the cost of annexing was 15 diplo per base tax and you could spend the full 15 each month. Now the cost is 10 points per base tax and you can only spend a limited number of diplo points per month. That amount is a base of 1, an addition +1 for same culture group, +1 for same religion, and your diplomatic reputation modifies the speed as well. So if I'm Austria and I have +3 diplo rep and I'm annexing Salzburg (same religion and culture group), I'll annex them at a rate of 6 points per month.

The hostile core creation modifier (e.g. +100% for Berber traditions) now applies to both coring costs and the cost of diplo-annexing. So if Morocco is my vassal and they have 10 base tax, it will cost 200 total diplo power to eat them.

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

Hello there.

I have a few questions about vassals in 1.8.

Feeding
As far as I understood, while they are more picky on what you can give them, they now fabricate claims on provinces around them. Is that correct?

They do fabricate claims, but they will also still buy anything they would have in 1.7. Aside from that, if you have AoW, you can just conquer provinces for them directly by transferring control, which does allow you to give them wrong culture/wrong religion provinces.

Diplo-annexing
I read the checksum but I am a bit confused about it. Could someone explain to me what the following mean:
-Speed of annexing/integrating is no longer +1 month per basetax, but progress towards total cost of 10*BT (down from 15, and modified by ) Each month the progress tick is 1, +1 if same religion, +1 if same culture group, and +/-X diplomatic reputation
-Hostile core creation now also adds to the cost of diplo-annexing
-Protectorates no longer transfer occupation to overlord

Thanks for your help.

Annexing a vassal used to take 1 month per base tax, and it would progress only if there was enough diplo power available to pay for one whole base tax. So a 10 BT vassal would cost 150 diplo power total and take 10 months if you never ran out of diplo power. If you did, it would save up until you had 15 and then progress would start moving again.
Now, progress is more variable (and slower), but also cheaper. The same 10 BT vassal now only costs a total of 100 diplo power, but instead of using 15 power per month, the amount of power used to progress the annexation depends on culture, religion and diplomatic reputation. It still can only spend diplo power that you actually have, so if you do manage to run out, it will still slow down annexation just like it used to.

There are some country ideas and one idea in aristocratic that make coring provinces that have your cores 100% more expensive, as a defensive measure. Previously that just meant that everyone would simply vassalize those countries that took them, or at least feed them to a vassal, thus avoiding the penalty. Now that is no longer the case, and any province that has a core from a nation that has one of these ideas will also cost twice as much to diploannex. So 20 diplo power instead of 10 per base tax.

Normal subjects are very submissive, and meant to be, but protectorates are supposed to expand on their own as well, so it doesn't fit for their AI to instantly give up everything they siege to their overlord. They want things for themselves.