Vassals cb and AE : Intended ?

[PanH]

Is it intended that, when using the reconquest cb of a vassal, it gives more AE to have this vassal take the province than if you took the provinces yourself without claim or anything ? Or should you just conquer the provinces yourselves and sell them afterwards (making the new occupation mechanic a gimmick and the new vassals cb just giving cbs to overlord but not the actual benefits of cbs) ?

 

[DukeWilleo1630]

Hmm. I'm pretty sure your vassal takes the AE if they are the ones who get the province during the peace deal. So, I think it is better to let them get the AE instead of selling it to them after you get the AE.

 

[nmcj1996]

Yeh this got me in serious trouble as the Ottomans as I returned all of Styria's cores to them by ceding them to them after giving them control of the occupation. Now i have a perma coalition with all of Europe when I wouldn't have gotten any AE if I had just returned the cores

 

[Viperswhip]

Yeh this got me in serious trouble as the Ottomans as I returned all of Styria's cores to them by ceding them to them after giving them control of the occupation. Now i have a perma coalition with all of Europe when I wouldn't have gotten any AE if I had just returned the cores

I frankly forgot about the ability to cede control of an occupation, even though the AI gives it to me all the time, so I never thought of that. I normally catch and release, sell for zero to my vassal, that's how I've done most of the Ottos territory with Karaman as my vassal.

 

[zlamaj]

If I'm not mistaken when you cede the occupation to your vassal and grant them the province in the peace deal you still get the AE. If this is intended, it will be far better to simply return cores to your vassal, as it has a huge increase is relations plus it costs no AE, but will cost you some diplo points.

If however you are trying to conquer using their claims, there is no way around the AE for you.

 

[PanH]

If I'm not mistaken when you cede the occupation to your vassal and grant them the province in the peace deal you still get the AE. If this is intended, it will be far better to simply return cores to your vassal, as it has a huge increase is relations plus it costs no AE, but will cost you some diplo points.

If however you are trying to conquer using their claims, there is no way around the AE for you.

My point is that using the reconquest cb of your vassal, giving them the province they have a core on through occupation gives MORE AE than conquering without cb.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

If I'm not mistaken when you cede the occupation to your vassal and grant them the province in the peace deal you still get the AE. If this is intended, it will be far better to simply return cores to your vassal, as it has a huge increase is relations plus it costs no AE, but will cost you some diplo points.

If however you are trying to conquer using their claims, there is no way around the AE for you.

If it is their core, it is probably a bug to be getting full AE on it. The game should distinguish between reconquest and conquest.

 

[Outrider]

If it is their core, it is probably a bug to be getting full AE on it. The game should distinguish between reconquest and conquest.

"Probably" might be a little too strong.

If I/we were designing the system, overlord would be utilizing the vassal's CB AE reduction, the overlord's Culture/Religion/Distance modifier, and the overlord's global AE modifier (prestige, ideas, etc.).

Given how PI likes to throw AE and other hurdles at player attempts to expand, especially in what I've seen of v1.8 (gave up because of performance), I wouldn't be at all surprised if the response to this was "WAD" as a disincentive to vassal feeding.