Vassals and Expansion Ideas

[Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom!]

Chokwe here is my Vassal that I just released and gave territory to. They are the southern green kingdom, not to be confused the the green kingdom in the north east corner. They started adjacent to territory that could be colonized, but with all their idea groups they got, didn't take either of exploration or expansion. I just wonder what processes select what kingdoms take what ideas when? The whole region is Catholic, so there is really no reason to take religious, and they are a land locked African kingdom, so what are they going to do with trade ideas? Oh well.

 

[Sfan]

It's predefined when you release a country.

 

[sesn]

Subjects almost never pick exploration and expansion only if exploration was already taken.

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Idea_groups#AI_preference

 

[Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom!]

Thanks for the link sesn. That info is very useful. I disagree with what's there, but that's just the way it is. Long story short, subjects will never opt for colonization.

 

[makaramus]

Subjects almost never pick exploration and expansion only if exploration was already taken.

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Idea_groups#AI_preference

correction: NEVER picks exploration if they are vassal reason is simple: Abuseable

 

[Sfan]

But here that's not that link. When a nation is released, it uses predefined ideas. That link is for what nations pick in a normal instance.

 

[Badesumofu]

What Sfan said. You can release Castile for example and they will release with Exploration and Expansion (assuming you release them at a point when they would have 2 idea groups, of course). However, if you were to PU Castile before they picked any idea groups, then they will not pick Exploration or Expansion.

When an extant AI nation is choosing a new idea group they will use weights to do so. Those weights refer to their situation. For example a nation with no coastal provinces won't take Exploration. Subjects won't take Exploration or Expansion with some exceptions: Colonial Nations always take Expansion. Nations that have already selected Exploration are also allowed to take Expansion, I believe. When you release a dead AI nation as a vassal, they take their idea groups from a predefined list.

 

[makaramus]

What Sfan said. You can release Castile for example and they will release with Exploration and Expansion (assuming you release them at a point when they would have 2 idea groups, of course). However, if you were to PU Castile before they picked any idea groups, then they will not pick Exploration or Expansion.

When an extant AI nation is choosing a new idea group they will use weights to do so. Those weights refer to their situation. For example a nation with no coastal provinces won't take Exploration. Subjects won't take Exploration or Expansion with some exceptions: Colonial Nations always take Expansion. Nations that have already selected Exploration are also allowed to take Expansion, I believe. When you release a dead AI nation as a vassal, they take their idea groups from a predefined list.

you sure? because I belive they will act as they were picking ideas 1 by 1 and never pick them again since they were vassal... what you say is more accurate for relasing nation I belive

also to op: Only benefit of "religius idea" group is not deus vult or converting. its also good at culture converting + tolerance of true faith

 

[Badesumofu]

you sure? because I belive they will act as they were picking ideas 1 by 1 and never pick them again since they were vassal... what you say is more accurate for relasing nation I belive

Sure of which part? I try to add qualifiers like 'I believe' or "I understand' for things I'm not so sure of but I still make mistakes about certain things as this game has a lot of things. Confused historical rivalry with 100% chance to mutually rival in 1444 with regard to France and England recently, for example

What I believe to be the case is this:

When you release a vassal: they get ideas from a predetermined list and as such if you release certain nations you can get colonizers for free. It may be that they combine the ideas that had previously had while still alive with ideas from their list. I'm not 100% on the details. I have definitely released Castile after integrating or possibly outright conquering them in order to get them to colonize for me.

When you vassalize or PU a nation that does not have Explo/Expansion: they will not pick either of those groups. They still use their normal weights to choose ideas but those weights include ones to prevent subjects picking Explo/Expansion.

As an aside, in an observer game I ran recently, I saw Aragon take both Expansion and Exploration and colonize a huge chunk of Brazil. Never seen Aragon colonize before.

 

[makaramus]

Sure of which part? I try to add qualifiers like 'I believe' or "I understand' for things I'm not so sure of but I still make mistakes about certain things as this game has a lot of things. Confused historical rivalry with 100% chance to mutually rival in 1444 with regard to France and England recently, for example

What I believe to be the case is this:

When you release a vassal: they get ideas from a predetermined list and as such if you release certain nations you can get colonizers for free. It may be that they combine the ideas that had previously had while still alive with ideas from their list. I'm not 100% on the details. I have definitely released Castile after integrating or possibly outright conquering them in order to get them to colonize for me.

When you vassalize or PU a nation that does not have Explo/Expansion: they will not pick either of those groups. They still use their normal weights to choose ideas but those weights include ones to prevent subjects picking Explo/Expansion.

As an aside, in an observer game I ran recently, I saw Aragon take both Expansion and Exploration and colonize a huge chunk of Brazil. Never seen Aragon colonize before.

yea its a rare but not imposible for him