Vassalizing holy orders (thread number two)

[Gunnarr]

First off: my original thread about this (which I made about a week or so ago), which had information I could have just went to to remind myself of the answer of my question, has mysteriously dissapeared. So I have to ask the question again

In my Jerusalem game I started around the date 1150. The game started with having the Knights Templar and the Knights Hospitaller as vassals of the King of Jerusalem.

After a period of some years and losing Jerusalem (and then regaining it), I lost the vassalization of the Knights Hospitaller (they declared independence when I lost Jerusalem)

How do I regain them as vassals?

I do not want to hold the title myself, I just want them to be a vassal of my kingdom as they were when I started the game.

I also do not want to use cheats (console commands)

 

[unmerged(196653)]

You have to give them land that you're the de jure liege of and offer vassalization. You also will only be able to vassalise usually one tops because a Duke will NEVER accept a vassalization offer if he's outside your culture.
So you have to give them de jure land and they have to be your culture.

 

[Isaios]

Give them land and make sure you're the same culture as the Grand Master. That's usually enough. If not, you'll have to land them, then kill a few Grand Masters so that a few claimants appear, invite one of them, land HIM and then press his claim. A bit ponderous, but guaranteed to work.

 

[CtrlAltDe1337]

Can you do this with any mercenaries?

 

[Gunnarr]

Alright, thank you all for your answers! that will work

Hopefully this thread will not dissapear right away again ;P

Can you do this with any mercenaries?

I don't think so, because mercenaries cannot be given land

 

[Isaios]

Except by Mercenary Invasion (if that's even still in the game?).

Though I've seen that exactly ONCE, and that was durin the initial release version, and I had to force the circumstance. From there, you should be able to vassalise them.

 

[JonStryker]

Except by Mercenary Invasion (if that's even still in the game?).

Though I've seen that exactly ONCE, and that was durin the initial release version, and I had to force the circumstance. From there, you should be able to vassalise them.

In my current 1.07b game the Lombard band tried to invade Denmark. They failed though ^^

 

[tajerio]

In my current 1.07b game the Lombard band tried to invade Denmark. They failed though ^^

Coincidentally, the Lombard Band invaded Denmark in my current game too. They won, though, and now they hold about five counties. It's really funny to see their name splashed across the map.

 

[Taishan]

Its weirder to see the Two Sicilies ruled by the Company Of The Hat in big letters

 

[CtrlAltDe1337]

So there is no way to make your own vassalized mercs like the Mamlukes and Varangian Guard?

 

[Isaios]

It's relatively easy to mod it in, but that's the only (even remotely practical) way.

 

[Gunnarr]

Coincidentally, the Lombard Band invaded Denmark in my current game too. They won, though, and now they hold about five counties. It's really funny to see their name splashed across the map.

Wow!!!! Cool! lol

 

[BurningEGO]

Apparently most people around here have no idea how easy it is to actually vassalize Holy Orders.

Do exactly what i say:

1º If a holy order has no land, give it a barony (this will allow ALL possible claimants to ACTUALLY get a claim, otherwise no one will)
2º Wait till the grand master of the order is dead (or assassinate him if you are in a hurry)
3º Once grandmaster is dead, check for claimants to the order you are trying to vassalize
4º Invite a claimant to your court, and give it a barony (this will make them your vassal)
5º Push the claimant's claim to the holy order, and BAM, once the war is done and you have won, you got yourself a free 7.5k army to be used against heretics/infidels for only 20 piety cost (and apparently no monthly cost).

You can also do it the hard way like Isaios suggested, but the chances of vassalizing holy orders that way are damn low and you need to be either italian or frankish to do it. The way i posted, allows you to get it as any culture. I always get them for the extra kick you will always need (i am usually playing in iberia).

 

[Isaios]

Give them land and make sure you're the same culture as the Grand Master. That's usually enough. If not, you'll have to land them, then kill a few Grand Masters so that a few claimants appear, invite one of them, land HIM and then press his claim. A bit ponderous, but guaranteed to work.

Apparently most people around here have no idea how easy it is to actually vassalize Holy Orders.

Do exactly what i say:

1º If a holy order has no land, give it a barony (this will allow ALL possible claimants to ACTUALLY get a claim, otherwise no one will)
2º Wait till the grand master of the order is dead (or assassinate him if you are in a hurry)
3º Once grandmaster is dead, check for claimants to the order you are trying to vassalize
4º Invite a claimant to your court, and give it a barony (this will make them your vassal)
5º Push the claimant's claim to the holy order, and BAM, once the war is done and you have won, you got yourself a free 7.5k army to be used against heretics/infidels for only 20 piety cost (and apparently no monthly cost).

You can also do it the hard way like Isaios suggested, but the chances of vassalizing holy orders that way are damn low and you need to be either italian or frankish to do it. The way i posted, allows you to get it as any culture. I always get them for the extra kick you will always need (i am usually playing in iberia).

So ... Yeah.

 

[JonStryker]

Is it possibly to vassalize a holy order if you're not Catholic? I once tried to push the claim of one of the Knight's Templars and got the message that I've won but the old grand master remained in office. At this point Catholicism was a heresy so I thought it might be a possibility.

 

[mr_human_555]

As long as the claimant are willing to go to your court. That means even if you're any other kind of christian, or even muslims if one of the grandmaster claimant is banished to your land

 

[Rangergxi]

Be same culture and give them land, than offer vassalization. I had a Holy Order as my Vassal on Cyrpus.

 

[Mods]

So ... Yeah.

lmao

 

[whosthebestcop]

Is it possibly to vassalize a holy order if you're not Catholic? I once tried to push the claim of one of the Knight's Templars and got the message that I've won but the old grand master remained in office. At this point Catholicism was a heresy so I thought it might be a possibility.

It is possible to have the title of grandmaster but not be catholic but you can't raise the troops. And if you hold the title then no one can raise the troops so the title exists but there is no way to actually get the army.

For example you gain the title for your character then switch to pagan. You still have the grandmaster title but the troops are gone.

 

[Isaios]

It is possible to have the title of grandmaster but not be catholic but you can't raise the troops. And if you hold the title then no one can raise the troops so the title exists but there is no way to actually get the army.

For example you gain the title for your character then switch to pagan. You still have the grandmaster title but the troops are gone.

An excellent way of neutralising the enemy!