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This is my first thread on this forum. I found one article called "Tributary>Territory", and I started to think what can vassals ">" ? I found and used an expriment to prove that Vassal>State, if managed properly.

Vasssls cannot always exceed states, we need a high "income from vassals" value to squeeze money from the vassals to make them generate more income than if annexed and assigned to states. Therefore, I recommend Iqta government or vassal income national ideas to enjoy this method. Timurids->Mughals ( do not change national ideas) is the best because of the Iqta AND +25% vassal income. I tried with Mamluks this time because I am a little bit tired now and do not want to fight wars.
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We need to first understand how vassal taxs work. Hejaz has a TAX income of 2.72, which is calculated from 0.50+2.22. 0.50 is the base tax for subjects, and 2.22 is the tax income from her tax development. The money trasferred to Mamluks is 4.89, which is 2.71 x 120.3% x 150%. 2.71 is the tax of the vassal, 120.3 is the "income from vassals" of the Mamluks, and 150% is scutage. I also took her trade because most of Hejaz is in the Alexandaria node, including a trade center.

My 120.3% efficiency came from the following:
base 10 Iqta 33 Influence 25 Administrative+Offensive 50 and the rest comes from legitimacy. Yes, I took the triple ideas of doom, and have proved that these ideas are not only for WC.

So this is how to squeeze money from vassals. Their Liberty Desire should be very low because they have no money to maintain their armies, they have even destroyed their forts. Even if they declare a n independence war, they cannot win our mighty and wealthy Mamluks and will continue to be harshly tortured as Mamluken vassals. Imagine how much money could you get from a 55 development state, probably with wrong culture? <4.89 in 1533, right? Although their bankruptcy is inevitable, nobody cares as long as they pay the taxes to us. This is how Vassal>State. And please paradox do not nerf this, I really love this idea.:)

P.S.
A bug in this game:
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The Hejaz heir is having no dynasty.
 

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It's not really a bug at all. I do similar things like staying feudal as non-muslims once I reach state limit.

It's a strategic choice and one that adds a decent amount of depth to decision-making in terms of how to plan out an empire and your conquests.
 

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You pick a combo which supports vassals. The problem woudl start if it was worth to release vassal in yoru homeland since it is just so much better.
So it is not a bug, but a feature.
PDX pls no nerf.
 

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If you hang onto shogunate government and have enough base power to avoid any one vassal going disloyal, you can potentially have quite a few...
...quite a few fighting among them ;)
HOWEVER, if you are a shogun AND HREmperor with Ewiger Landfriede this may become quite interesting…