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Hello, i wanted to play as Island, because the of the pain and regrets, and i released myself as a vassal of norway. My end goal is to get independence.
My question is, If norway gets annexed, do i:
a. Also get annexed.
b. Become a vassal of Denmark
c. Become indipendent?

Also, what happens if i declare war on denmark while a subject of norway, while norway is a subject of denmark, which side will he side with?
 

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To my knowledge, you'd become a vassal of Denmark, and Norway, as a loyal subject, would join Denmark in the war. If it's even possible to declare the war on Denmark - do you not have to declare on Norway first?
 
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If Norway gets annexed while you are their vassal, you'll become the vassal of the country which annexed Norway (usually Denmark, but since he starts out as a PU, 50 years have to pass before he can be inherited/integrated). It's far more likely that you'll be annex by Norway when the 10 years are up for vassal annexation, unless you get high LD/independence first.

As for the second question, I never tried this, but I think you won't be able to declare war on anybody except Norway until you get your independence. Denmark of course will defend him, and will call in any other dependencies and/or allies he has.
 
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You would declare war on your overlord to gain independence. If your overlord is a junior partner, the senior partner and its allies would be called in.
 
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On the plus side, Denmark is despised by everyone in Northern Europe, so you might get support for independence from England.
Or actually from noone, because his direct overlord is Norway, not Denmark, and subjects don't even have rivals who'd be inclined to support you. Iceland against Norway and Denmark's allies could be one of the hardest starts in the game, because you pretty much have to solo them. OP's best bet is to sit around and dev to get stronger right until the point where Norway would finish annexing him, but it's a risky business, because without any support for independence it might be hard to get above 50 LD, and you need that to be able to declare even if Denmark drags Norway into a war. Though maybe this patch with the AI's naval invasion derpiness it's easier.
 
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Or actually from noone, because his direct overlord is Norway, not Denmark, and subjects don't even have rivals who'd be inclined to support you. Iceland against Norway and Denmark's allies could be one of the hardest starts in the game, because you pretty much have to solo them. OP's best bet is to sit around and dev to get stronger right until the point where Norway would finish annexing him, but it's a risky business, because without any support for independence it might be hard to get above 50 LD, and you need that to be able to declare even if Denmark drags Norway into a war. Though maybe this patch with the AI's naval invasion derpiness it's easier.
If you keep your opinion of norway below 190 then they cant annex you, and then once Denmark integrates Norway its easy
 
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If you keep your opinion of norway below 190 then they cant annex you, and then once Denmark integrates Norway its easy
Oh yeah, it's super easy, barely an inconvenience. They start out at 75 from vassal and same religion. They can improve to 200, even if you scornfully insult, which is -100 every 10 years, there will be a window where the AI can start the annexation. And then we haven't even included gifting, transferring trade power or estate privileges which the AI may or may not do.
 

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Oh yeah, it's super easy, barely an inconvenience. They start out at 75 from vassal and same religion. They can improve to 200, even if you scornfully insult, which is -100 every 10 years, there will be a window where the AI can start the annexation. And then we haven't even included gifting, transferring trade power or estate privileges which the AI may or may not do.
Tag provinces as of vital interest too to drag relations down