Vassal MAths? 0-13 attempting to vassalise Kleves

[unmerged(10139)]

I am playing Luxemburgh and have summarily failed to vassalise Kleves (they have been my ally and royally married since 1420). I saw on the FAQ the conditions and elements that effect Vassalising which all appear to be met, yet it appears that it always fails when I ask for "Offer Vassal".

My reputation is Very Bad
I have 48,000 troups to his 31,000
I have 14 regions to his 3

Has anyone found out the math formula that is run to detemine success of vassalising? I am wasting many diplomats and money trying to achieve this goal.

Does duration at high level of relations count? Does ratio of troop size count? How much better must my reputation get to even attempt a successful vassalising?

 

[Syt]

Don't listen to what the girls say - size does matter, as does reputation, military might, and diplo-rating of your monarch.

Anything else (duration past the 10 years of vassalization necessary, amount of gold, weather on Northern Madagascar) helps as much as rubbing a hare's paw, crossing your fingers, knocking on wood, lighting a candle at church, or closing your eyes when clicking the option, IMHO.

 

[Murmurandus]

...yeah, luck might play a role...

Maybe you should try reloading...

 

[Syt]

Originally posted by Murmurandus
Maybe you should try reloading...

Did I hear the EVIL word...

 

[Murmurandus]

Originally posted by Sytass


Did I hear the EVIL word...

What...did I say something???...Nah, must be the wind...

 

[unmerged(10139)]

There must be a math formula that is followed. Has anyone detemined this. What I am trying to do is determine what I should do to increase my chance of success and what that chance is.

 

[Owl]

Originally posted by Mad Magyar
There must be a math formula that is followed. Has anyone detemined this. What I am trying to do is determine what I should do to increase my chance of success and what that chance is.

I don't know about a formula - I understand that there is always a random element. But another factor not mentioned above is your monarch's diplo rating (VERY important). If he's not much cop, wait for an "excellent minister" event to boost it and try again.

 

[Syt]

Originally posted by Owl
But another factor not mentioned above is your monarch's diplo rating (VERY important).

But... but... you didn't even read my first post.

Actually, the larger and more powerful you are, and the better your monarch's diplo-skills are, the more likely you'll be to vassalize your "friend".

Examples: In my game as Castille for the CNN AAR, I easily diplo-annexed one-province minors and four-province Nubia when I had 300k+ armies and ruled two thirds of the Mediterranean.

In my current Holstein game, Hanover refused all my attempts of vassalizing them (me 5 provinces, them 2). I raised an army, conquered Magdeburg, and voilà....

 

[Galleblære]

Originally posted by Sytass
Don't listen to what the girls say - size does matter....

Actually, in my experience, girls are the ones that say size matters!

 

[Alwin von Arlt]

try n get a 2-1 ration militarily, that normally does the trick for me

 

[nelly644]

Also, never try to vassalize or annex a nation with a diplo rating better than yours

 

[unmerged(6324)]

I've noticed that reputation may count.

 

[Castellon]

Length of duration of high releation does not matter since it is not tracked by the computer!

 

[Petrarca]

Also, recent victories against other nations (=more VPs) seem to help.

 

[Owl]

Originally posted by Sytass


But... but... you didn't even read my first post.

I beg your pardon.
You slipped that one into a fast-moving, long slithery sentence and I missed it ....

anyway I bet that's the problem!

 

[unmerged(10355)]

I think that "size" means annual income, not number of provinces. If those three provinces are very rich ones (especially gold or CoT), it's going to be quite difficult to diplo-vassalize the country.

 

[Viking]

Other important factors

1. Are they already somebody elses vassal?
2. Do they have a vassal of their own?
3. Their stability.

These are also very important factors when annexing as well. Ryazan is a vassal of both muscovy and the golden horde. Trying to annex them with muscovy was impossible untill ryazan (flush with my money) declared war on the horde (I went and stole all their sieges with the grand duke of muscovy) and then promptly annexed them the second after the war was over.

 

[Heretic]

if you are playing as a 1 province Luxembourg, and want to vassalise Kleeves, your only hope is an 'exellent miniset' event.
franky I would recommend invasion and militray annex, since you will get the province a lot faster.
everybody else will dislike you , but you will be twice the size you were.

Heretic

 

[Chas]

I have an unproven theory that culture matters - as France I could never out-vassalise Austria with the Western Germanic minors, despite having great rels, reasonable BB (at that stage) and e.g. rescuing them from Bohemia etc. It seemed to me that they were waiting for Austria to vassalise them, which is what eventually happened and the only thing in Austria's favour was culture.

 

[unmerged(6159)]

I think stability is really critical. Don't try when you're less than +3, and ideally try when they're below +2.