Vassal feeding is back in AoW and it's even better

[4k547]

Does returning cores also give AE?

 

[Wizzington]

Does returning cores also give AE?

To your vassals, yes.

 

[Qoff]

To your vassals, yes.

But it's a small AE right?

 

[Freudia]

It's a compensatory factor to handle the increased cost of coring additional #provinces. They want you to use their new feature.

Wait what? They're increasing the cost of coring provinces now?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Wait what? They're increasing the cost of coring provinces now?

No, but if you look at region reworks there is a ton of new provinces. This is going to create more total AE generated and I'm pretty certain there is more total BT to handle one way or another.

Edit: The cost increase or decrease will depend on the specifics of the autonomy + rebel concept. They could make expansion harder, easier, or neither of those things.

 

[alscon]

Wait what? They're increasing the cost of coring provinces now?

There are only more of them.

EDIT: :ninja:'d

EDIT2: IIRC, they mentioned coring cost will scale with BT, too.

 

[Freudia]

No, but if you look at region reworks there is a ton of new provinces. This is going to create more total AE generated and I'm pretty certain there is more total BT to handle one way or another.

Edit: The cost increase or decrease will depend on the specifics of the autonomy + rebel concept. They could make expansion harder, easier, or neither of those things.

Oh, okay. Looking back at what you said earlier, I realize I misread it, probably in my haste as I was finishing up something. The way I read it gave me the impression that they were actually increasing the costs globally of coring provinces, which would lead to either stacking coring cost reduction modifiers, or larger use of vassals.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Oh, okay. Looking back at what you said earlier, I realize I misread it, probably in my haste as I was finishing up something. The way I read it gave me the impression that they were actually increasing the costs globally of coring provinces, which would lead to either stacking coring cost reduction modifiers, or larger use of vassals.

I wouldn't put an unmentioned change of that magnitude past them after the 1.7 debacle, but I certainly don't have any information of that nature and don't want to imply otherwise!

 

[murlocmancer]

I think it makes sense. It still cost points albeit diplo is generally not as important as admin. However you still get the AE and less direct bonuses from the vassal lands if you owned it yourself.

 

[billclintonmask]

It'll be fun trolling the AI by giving them a bunch of wrong religion/wrong culture provinces and watching them implode. Maybe they'll just sell them back?

 

[Outrider]

Apparently I need to watch the streams, as it sounds like dev diaries just show the "pretty new toys" and leave the sweeping mechanics overhauls out.

 

[ACardAttack]

. Also as a person who enjoys having harge and useful vassals it's a welcome change.

Now that we can give vassal's war goals, it is great as you get more benefit from them being larger than annexing them

I wonder though what happens if a vassal gets too big, if they'd declare for independence if they think they can take on their overlord

 

[The GOAT 1988]

To your vassals, yes.

To the vassals or the overlord? I thought right now giving cores to other countries or annexing provinces for other countries gives them AE but i could be wrong

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

To the vassals or the overlord? I thought right now giving cores to other countries or annexing provinces for other countries gives them AE but i could be wrong

Why would returning them their cores give them AE? I guess you technically get AE for taking your own cores (with the right CB), but that's a very very small amount.

 

[Freudia]

Why would returning them their cores give them AE? I guess you technically get AE for taking your own cores (with the right CB), but that's a very very small amount.

Why does giving a vassal state to another nation give you AE?

Paradox, that's why.

 

[Rabid]

I wonder though what happens if a vassal gets too big, if they'd declare for independence if they think they can take on their overlord

I'd really like to see this, make vassal feeding a strong strategy but make the vassal AI more likely to cause trouble

 

[PhoenixDown]

I wonder though what happens if a vassal gets too big, if they'd declare for independence if they think they can take on their overlord

If you keep them at 200 relations it's impossible I think.

 

[aitaituo]

Why would returning them their cores give them AE? I guess you technically get AE for taking your own cores (with the right CB), but that's a very very small amount.

AE for returning vassals' cores is at least logical, since you're increasing your own power first indirectly then directly when you annex them.

AE for your own cores has never made sense. Oh no, Poland has recovered their provinces they lost a decade ago, better coalition up!

 

[Outrider]

AE for returning vassals' cores is at least logical, since you're increasing your own power first indirectly then directly when you annex them.

AE for your own cores has never made sense. Oh no, Poland has recovered their provinces they lost a decade ago, better coalition up!

Those two situations are exactly the same.
They involve nations gaining power (directly/indirectly) be retrieving territory they formerly lost. If it makes sense for one, it makes sense for the other.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

If you keep them at 200 relations it's impossible I think.

If they get large enough, competing power + relative to liege will make +200 impossible, even if you improve to +200 and gift them lavishly.

Though, we're talking 2/3 of Ming size here, so you can make some pretty hefty suckers.