Vassal decides to form an Independent State - Peacefully

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Playing Navarra (Hastings Scenario), currently year 1215. My Capital is in Byzantine (what can I say, it was a juicy 1-Count Muslim Realm and it quickly converted to my Basque Culture afterwards). I have a Duke vassal in Mauretania (I have the King title to that area, he's same culture and the province is same culture as me, tho not of my Dynasty) who has now seceded 5 times in the last 4 years (once the very next day after re-vassalizing) with that event. He had no loyalty problems nor bad traits. He died in battle the 4th time and his country-cousin did the very same thing 1 month after force-vassalizing. Each time, the Duke had a claim on the Navarra title when he seceded.

There is (or was, I finally went ahead and took him out) a 1-county Muslim King next to one of the Duke's vassals, tho there was a Muslim-Christian Duke vassal of mine right next to him on the other side that that event has never fired for. (I kept hoping for the Hammidid King to somehow get a 2nd province, place his son so I could vassalize him, christianize then grab one of those odd King titles, the Beni Helal King is in the same boat over in Africa, but there was really no-where left for them to go anymore).

What triggers are there for that event to fire? Is it because the Duke and his county IS of my culture and I was over in Byzantine and he was sitting so close to a Muslim King? Or is that event permanently stuck for that Dukedom? It fired the 5th time as I was taking out the Hammidid King. Getting kinda tired of always raising the same dang armies to take out the same dang Duke in the same dang way. True, the prestige gain was nice to see for my fairly new King and the BB reduction came in handy a couple of times, but I can truly do without the hassle. Now that that Hammidid King is gone and a Bishop of mine is in his place, will that stop it? Gonna go ahead and take out the Beni Helal guy too, just to clear up the Africa coast.

EDIT: Even after putting a Bishop in the Hammidid's place and while besieging the Beni Helal guy way over in Africa, that dang-blasted Duke AGAIN got that event, 2 months after force-vassaling him from the 5th time. Will it never end? GAH! I've got same culture rulers in same culture provinces over in Spain that I've never had that problem with.

 

[Landwalker]

I remember way back when, when I was playing as the Duchy of Provence - turned - Kingdom of Burgundy, I took over pretty much all of Africa from the Atlantic Coast to at least Libya. Naturally I parcelled out the gains, and had a Duke of Morocco or wherever (the same place as your problem duke) who just would not stay in my realm. I never had a similar problem with any other African vassals, and since my capital was still in Provence or thereabouts the distance wasn't exactly the same as from Constantinople. I find it intriguing that in both instances, it's that western-most African duke that constantly, regardless of how many times you kick his butt or replace him, secedes peacefully without any notification or reason. Maybe it's a bug, maybe it's just an infuriating part of something else, I don't know. But it made me want to wipe that place off the map.

Cheers.

 

[Nick B II]

That sounds like event 6102. It can't happen if you're extremely prestigious (5,000 prestige). It's less likely to happen if stable, and have a high diplo (9 for ruler, plus 12 for Chancellor).

A duke with vassals is much more likely to rebel. Rulers with high stats are more likely to rebel. As are Proud or Selfish vassals.

You have a few options. Option #1 is to reduce the Duke to a Count, attempt to gain 5,000 prestige, and work for higher stability. Ideally you'd make the Crown Prince overlord of the new Count so you don't have to deal with the BS anymore.

Option #2 is to simply mod events 6102 and 6103 out of existence. They make sense sometimes, but in this case it's just stupid that a Duke thinks he can defend himself without help from the High King of the Universe. Open Realm Disruption events and comment them out by putting a # in front of every line.

I'd probably do the modding myself. Or simply make the Crown Prince overlord of the problem Duke, and totally ignore subsequent rebellions by the Counts of West Africa.

Nick

 

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Mine is Duchy of Kabylia (county of Mzab), unless that's the same as your Morroco? And I get the notification (tho it's not the same as when during Realm Duress, that you can get mad or let go peacefully). I've had vassals who've rebelled constantly, son after son. Current game, it's Count of Castelo Branco, and that county's been that way for over 100 years.

Personally, I think the game hates me.

I went into that Duke's saved game and gave him a DB, fixed up his vassal's loyalty (tho none were especially bad) and married him off to a courtier (cause I got PO'd and F12/die 3 Country Cousins in a row - hehe). We'll see if the game can take a hint.

I've got more important things to worry about. My current King has poor stats (his father was great (tho he died way too early) and having all those schools/colleges/what-nots in Byzantine haven't helped in the least), he's Severely Wounded, his son's keep dying, illness is raging thru his court, the Pope just forced me to change to Church Supremacy (idiot Pope), those Mongol events are due to fire anytime now (plus waiting for the plagues to show up) to constantly worry about some po-dunk vassal in the backwaters of my Empire. And to top it off, I'll be danged if he can just up and go his own way, those are MY lands.

 

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That sounds like event 6102. It can't happen if you're extremely prestigious (5,000 prestige). It's less likely to happen if stable, and have a high diplo (9 for ruler, plus 12 for Chancellor).

I'd probably do the modding myself. Or simply make the Crown Prince overlord of the problem Duke, and totally ignore subsequent rebellions by the Counts of West Africa.

Nick

I'm currently at +2 stability, no Realm Duress, Ruler is 10 Diplo, Loyal Chancellor is 21. I understand rebellious vassals (especially during Realm Duress), but this repeating event for the same Dukedom makes no sense at all. True, I'm not at 5,000 prestige yet (tho if he keeps up, it won't be long, +800 prestige after each time). But I'll definitely check out those events, and if one of those is the one that's breaking my rump, 'Off With His Head!" I say.

Oh, and the Crown Prince is age 0 (just born), so he'd make a terrible Duke atm. I'm waiting on the youngest brother to age up (he went and got himself the Prodigy trait and he might end up better than the previous 3 rulers (tho he's only 9) as a back-up ruler, the way my current King keeps losing sons.

 

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Update. (And yes, we're probably now into a different area of the Forum) Yep, Event 6102 is the one. Going thru those modifiers/conditions is giving me a headache, but if I'm reading it correctly, a big modifier is my Capital is in Asia-Minor (Byzantine-because of my floating title - Navarra) and I did get KOJ title not that long before this mess all started. Yet, I can't see why it's always picking on the same Duke, when I have Christian Dukes all over the Middle-East/North Africa. :: shrugs ::

The conditions for the Realm-ruler are:

condition = { type = religion value = catholic }
#condition = { type = not value = { type = atwar } }
condition = { type = not value = { type = prestige value = 5000 } }
}

I didn't put the '#' in front of the 'atwar' one, it came that way. I'm torn now, I do like the idea of distant vassals of the "Other' Rulers breaking free, yet not mine. lol

There is a modifier lower down for a Realm-ruler from Spain:

condition = { type = liege
condition = { type = capital
condition = { type = and
condition = { type = not value = { type = region value = Spain } }

Would not having a Primary title from Spain be enough? Any way of putting a condition so that a Primary Title from Spain be enough to forestall this? Or will I be forced to give away Byzantine, Genoa and Alexandria? It seems a shame to have a Spanish Floating title be penalized like this.

Edited: I continue this discussion in a Modding thread - http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9864597#post9864597