Vasalization in IN

[Danshot360]

Hello everyone.

I played for a little over an hour this morning as Castile, and I noticed that my chances at vasalizing both Portugal and Aragon was set at impossible.

I have 200 relations with both, I am allied with both and have royal marriages with both. Is there a new feature that makes Vasalizing harder? Do I need to have twice their land or something to do this now? Well, thanks for any help. Can't wait to get off of work and play some more.

 

[e-stab]

Military power plays a role. Maybe that's it? They have to think that you really are more powerful overall than they are.

 

[Danshot360]

Normally, in NA, they would both be at maybe right now. It could be military power, was just wondering if anybody knew.

 

[Darkrenown]

Nations with >3 provinces can no longer be diplo-vassalised.

 

[e-stab]

Nations with >3 provinces can no longer be diplo-vassalised.

Are you sure? I know it has been discussed, but I'm unsure about the result.

 

[Danshot360]

Nations with >3 provinces can no longer be diplo-vassalised.

Well if thats confirmed, I will break off the alliance with Aragon and fight to form Spain.

 

[Alerias]

Nations with >3 provinces can no longer be diplo-vassalised.

If thats right, thats an incredibly huge, feature-breaking change. I mean, cmon. Diplo-vassalizing 30-prov nations was sometimes a bit much, but 3 provinces is tiny. I cant believe something like that wouldnt have made it in the manual...

 

[unmerged(18701)]

I agree. If it's true, it's amazing that it isn't mentioned in the manual.

 

[Danshot360]

Bump! I need to know the truth!

 

[ashbery76]

I diplo-vassalised Scotland so....

 

[Alerias]

I diplo-vassalised Scotland so....

So its harder than before, but no hard cap on country size?

Sounds good.

 

[ashbery76]

No I was wrong, I forced them to be a vassal by the sword.It was hours ago :wacko:

 

[Immacolata]

Yeah, diplo-eating your neighbours was a wee bit easy in NA. It makes sense if Paradox changed the mechanic to take into account prestige, relative size and armies. Become a vassal of an empire with a standing army of 150.000 soldiers is probably a great "honor" compared to having the same suggestion from one with 1.500 soldiers

 

[CurleyFurley]

Nations with >3 provinces can no longer be diplo-vassalised.

As England I diploannexed Scotland which had about five provinces

 

[Alerias]

Yeah, diplo-eating your neighbours was a wee bit easy in NA. It makes sense if Paradox changed the mechanic to take into account prestige, relative size and armies. Become a vassal of an empire with a standing army of 150.000 soldiers is probably a great "honor" compared to having the same suggestion from one with 1.500 soldiers

Definitely agree, "diplo-unifying" my religious group was what the first half of all my games was about in NA, along with colonizing the rest. :rofl: This being said, I would strongly disagree with a hard limit on diplo-vassal size if it was as small as three provinces. IMO any limit should be relative to your own strength.

 

[delra]

It's a very good change. I once got whole Germany as my vassal and even diplo-annexed them as France. It practically ended that game. I didn't want to look at it anymore.

 

[wilcoxchar]

I really hope the hard limit isn't true. If it is, how are we supposed to create Spain peacefully? It's just not very historical and seems very arbitrary.

 

[Darkrenown]

As England I diploannexed Scotland which had about five provinces

Annexing != Vassalisation

 

[unmerged(56754)]

Normally, in NA, they would both be at maybe right now. It could be military power, was just wondering if anybody knew.

I was just expierncing the same thing. I guess we must wait for either a PU or untill you control South America