Various Newbie Questions

[Ebusitanus]

Hi,
Hopefully you will give me a hand here since I´m kinda lost how to proceed.

I play as Nat. Spain and after taking out the Republicans I get up to a healthy industrial output close to 70. I assign new productions and research proyects as to ready my nation for the big fight.
I get greedy and go to war with my equaly fascist neighbor Portugal while still being a neutral and avoiding the mermaid calls from Gross Germany. I smash my way to Lisbon and take out all of continental Portugal.

1) I can not get any decent war conclusion with these fellows as they only talk about "white peace" when I´m parading down Lisbon´s main Avenue with my "tanks". It dawns me that Portugal has islands...I get my ancient Merchants together and send my "fleet" with two Inf Divs. to the Azores islands...not enough...to Cape Verde...not enough...to Mozambique...<This is getting very funny at this point>...not enough, wait, now they agree to a "Puppet State" condition which does not suite my industrial cravings...I keep on and try to disembarc at Goa (India) but can´t since there is no beach (LOL)..So I keep on and land my troops on the sandy beaches of Macao (China)..I keep on and take out East Timor...ROFL..but Portugal keeps proud and refuses my anexation as I still don´t have all "Key points".
Then it dawns me that Portugal also has Angola in Africa..yet my "Marine division" can´t land there either since all of Angola has not a single beach compared to the fine Macao ones (LOL).

So...How the hell do I take Portugal out?

2) My proud economy of 70 IC goes up to 80 with my Portuguese conquests...YET, suddenly it goes crashing down to 20 and even 1 misteriously, sending my research proyects all in red due to this mysterious downsizing of my overall productivity.
I do still have planty of coal and steel, I have traded for some 200 in oil and have about 50 in rubber...Why is my economy down to 20 IC (howering the mouse over the industry tell me that I should still have about 82 IC, but where?).
I had my previous 70 even with little to no oil and rubber...

Please help me undestand how this works since I´m playing now from my Laptop away from home and can´t check out my rule booklet cast aside in EU2 gamemanship arrogance
Help!

 

[unmerged(11923)]

Have you checked the dissent-level in the country? That lowers IC-output. And if you build new industries and stuff in provinces the IC there goes down to 50% in the meantime.

 

[unmerged(2254)]

1) You have to do colony hopping. Attacking Portugal is generally a bad idea, since they have one province colonies all around the globe. Either you can take out just enough to make them your puppet (which will still leave them intact as an indepent nation, though) or you go for all-out conquest, then you'll have to get the vast majority of their colonies under your control.
Have a similar problem with Vichy France right now.

2) You've probably run out of rubber. This means a lot of your oil must me converted to rubber. If you've also run out of oil, it means that you'll have to utilize coal. All this slows down the industry considerably. My lack of rubber resulted my industry to drop to about 300 out of 800. Annoying, that.

 

[unmerged(576)]

Originally posted by Cadorna
1) You have to do colony hopping. Attacking Portugal is generally a bad idea, since they have one province colonies all around the globe. Either you can take out just enough to make them your puppet (which will still leave them intact as an indepent nation, though) or you go for all-out conquest, then you'll have to get the vast majority of their colonies under your control.
Have a similar problem with Vichy France right now.

Don't puppet regimes supply you with resources, not just supply centres?

 

[Ebusitanus]

How do I take out Colonies without that darn beach?

I had enough rubber and oil...at least I had more as when my factories were producing 100% and now that I have thrown the house out of the window with ruinous 5-1 exchanges to fill my stores with Oil and Rubber (Still having a decent Coal and Steel hoard) I´m worse than ever with my IC output.
btw...My dissent level is "0".

Help!!!

 

[Ebusitanus]

bump for that understanding helping hand

 

[Ebusitanus]

C´mon..I know you know...Let me have fun too...why does my IC output drop so dramatically? I´m sure some of you have noticed this too...give me your experience please.

How to invade Angola? Is there a way to invade besides beaches?

 

[unmerged(7156)]

Well, countries at war will only get 50% of whatever trade agreement they have.

So if you're trading 50 coal for 10 oil, you actually only get 50% or 5 oil for your 50 coal.

 

[unmerged(7156)]

Originally posted by Ebusitanus

How to invade Angola? Is there a way to invade besides beaches?

Yeesh... get military access through a neighbour of Angola? That would be about the only way...

 

[unmerged(12214)]

Amphibious operations are part of the tech tree (Naval doctrine, I believe) and so must be researched. Warning: the important ones are pretty far down on the list so it will cost you some significant IC to be able to island-hop efficiently. Until then you're probably only going to be able to land troops (even Marines) through unoccupied ports.

The same thing with synthetic oil and rubber -- you can research them to help solve your resource crunch but it will cost you plenty. Until then you have to watch your rubber stockpiles. They go down quickly.

By the way, if you want to spot all of a country's colonies, set your view on "Diplomacy" (the envelope), click on the country, zoom out with "-" and take a look at the map from high level. Everything belonging to that country or allied with it will be green.


T.

 

[Mohe]

Originally posted by Ebusitanus
...I keep on and try to disembarc at Goa (India) but can´t since there is no beach (LOL)..So I keep on and land my troops on the sandy beaches of Macao (China)..I keep on and take out East Timor...ROFL..

reading this I ask my friend, "Hey have you benn to Goa!" "Yeah, really nice beaches"

http://www.goavacation.com/beaches.htm

 

[Darkrenown]

Originally posted by Ebusitanus


How to invade Angola? Is there a way to invade besides beaches?

Paratroops, takes a bit of researching though.

Are there any minors bordering Angola that you can DoW and March through?

How about millitary access if there is no one to DoW?

 

[Peregrine]

I too have been having rubber problems, playing as Nationalist China. I have copious amounts of all the other resources, but no rubber, so my IC is down to 1! Under the rubber icon it says that it will convert oil to rubber, but at a 0.0 ratio, so obviously that's just 0. Is this a bug? Or what are my options? My game is effectively over with no production, thus no supplies and all my units orgs going slowly down to 0.

 

[unmerged(12036)]

Running out of resources is bad, umkay?
Sounds to me that's your problem Spain.

To see your current resource in and outflows check page three of the ledger. It's the second of four buttons under the minimap.
Make your world trade decisions based on this info.

You may find that you simply can't get enough as a minor in a long war. Sucks to be a small player in a resource driven world.
Hehe.

As for the Chinese not being able to change oil to rubber. You could be lacking the necessary basic tech bro. I'm not sure.

For both of you, I would suggest going back to the save right before you declared war, and plan accordingly with the new info.

Economics has gotta be murder for the small countries. As it should be, even for some of the majors. =)

 

[unmerged(11950)]

Cadorna i dont mean to drag this topic off subject but your signature is that serios about hte missing AI and events or did you just make that up to be your tag?

 

[MacGregor]

China does not start with the necessary techs to convert coal to oil or oil to rubber. You have to trade for what you need.

 

[unmerged(12036)]

Ahhh, and there you have it.

I'm soooo glad they did that. I'll mark that in my ever growing "things I like about HOI column". Nice to see that type of historical accuracy was not sacrificed to make a major nation more competitive.

 

[unmerged(9449)]

Heh, how do you even play as Nationalist Spain the '36 scenario??

 

[unmerged(9449)]

Also, how do you load units onto transport airplanes?

 

[unmerged(12214)]

Originally posted by Peregrine
I too have been having rubber problems, playing as Nationalist China. I have copious amounts of all the other resources, but no rubber, so my IC is down to 1! Under the rubber icon it says that it will convert oil to rubber, but at a 0.0 ratio, so obviously that's just 0. Is this a bug? Or what are my options? My game is effectively over with no production, thus no supplies and all my units orgs going slowly down to 0.

I haven't gotten around to playing China yet. But it would seem to me that the biggest rubber plantations in the entire world (maybe even the only ones) are right on your southern doorstep. And given the braindead way the AI handles complex Japanese amphibious campaigns, it shouldn't be tough to keep.

If you can muster the strength early enough, I'd just bully Vietnam and Burma into being part of Greater China. Problem solved

T.