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Greetings, here is my list of suggestions for the history files.

Delete 100515, Anund. He's in the af Munso dynasty but I can find no links to him on wikipedia at all. In the swedish.txt it says "# Probably died with "Ingvar Vittfarne" (possibly his brother)". I looked up Ingvar Vittfarne and no one knows where he came from either, but there are several theories that he was descended of some af Munso guy but none of them are generally accepted from what I can tell. Looking into the family tree of af Munso all the Anunds shown in it are taken into account for the in game one as well, so you can delete this one.

Ishaq of the Suleimid dynasty which rules Benghazi is floating. I can't find anything about him, so good luck.

Suffice it to say, you should take a look at the Islamic dynasty of Hilalid. It has 7 floating dynasty members. The topmost one, Abdul-Haleen by my guess must be the fourth son of Walmiya, because he's still alive and by his birth date, making him born around 5 years after the third son. I looked, and that Walmiya guy had a son about every 5 years or so. The other 6 are a line of fathers and sons, and the last three are the sons of the same father. Walmiya must be one of their sons, or their son's sons, because the last of them die in 935, while it says Walmiya was born in 1000. I know those aren't accurate birth or deathdates, as you made all of them live exactly fifty years. So there must be an error, maybe you put all six of those guys in the wrong dynasty or something, or maybe there's a missing link you misplaced or didn't create.

Sultan Yahya I of the Almoravid dynasty which rules Tangiers is also floating.

The van Vlaanderen have been thoroughly messed up due to the addition of former spouses apparently. There's another group of people on the left of the dynasty list who are floating because Arnulf II, the supposed son of Duke Gottfried Wigeriche has the wrong father. His father is supposed to be Baldwin III http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_III_of_Flanders but because of the former spouse thing added it made the father of him count as Gottfried of Holland instead of his rightful father Baldwin III. His mother is right though, and this is all because she had two husbands. Once you make Baldwin III, Arnulf II's father then I think all the lines will be connected again. Also, the wife of Gottfried, the mother of Arnulf II and ex husband of the late Baldwin III had a child I believe is not hers. She had a child with Gottfried of Lower Lorraine (that's what he owns as duke, not Holland sorry) who was born in 945, while Arnulf II was born in 961, and her husband Baldwin III died in 962. This must mean that Gottfried had another wife who mothered his successor as Duke of Lower Lorraine, either that or he should have no mother if you can't find one for him. It must be that!

More to come!
 
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I won't even begin to speculate on this huge dynasty tree but the house Ua Neill Noigiallaich which owns the county of Oriel I think it's called in Ireland have 4 floating characters in their gargantuan dynasty tree. I think that must be the biggest one in the game.

I don't know if this has anything to do with how the game works or if it's an error in spacing, but the founder of the Billung dynasty of Saxony appears to be floating above his descendents, not nearly connected like usual. Like a centimeter space almost on my screen.
 

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Some good finds. :)

The house of Flanders issue has been reported before and can indeed be fixed simply by correcting someone's wife.

I might make an attempt at cleaning up english.txt and norman.txt when I get time, as I've noticed a few inconsistencies.
 

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What's inconsistent is that I traced some of the Welsh nobles family lines back to the 300's, while the swede families don't even go back before 900 or 800 I think, on the grounds that they're "semi-legendary". How are people from year 300 different eh?

edit: I was looking about randomly and looked at King Stenkil's mother who was a lowborn with no family. I looked it up on wikipedia and found she's Astrid Njalsdotter, son of Njal Finnson. You can find more about her here. She shouldn't be lowborn, as according to this she's the daughter of a noble. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrid_Njalsdotter
 

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I don't know if this has anything to do with how the game works or if it's an error in spacing, but the founder of the Billung dynasty of Saxony appears to be floating above his descendents, not nearly connected like usual. Like a centimeter space almost on my screen.

That is WAD, since is the founder of 2 dynasties (Billung and Brunonen), since he can't be of 2 dynasties, he has no dynasty himself.

I won't even begin to speculate on this huge dynasty tree but the house Ua Neill Noigiallaich which owns the county of Oriel I think it's called in Ireland have 4 floating characters in their gargantuan dynasty tree. I think that must be the biggest one in the game.

The Rurikovich are most likely the biggest dynasty in the game, maybe followed by the Piasts.
 

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edit: I was looking about randomly and looked at King Stenkil's mother who was a lowborn with no family. I looked it up on wikipedia and found she's Astrid Njalsdotter, son of Njal Finnson. You can find more about her here. She shouldn't be lowborn, as according to this she's the daughter of a noble. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrid_Njalsdotter

That she is listed as lowborn, just means she has no dynasty-name. Since there aren't any other members of her dynasty in the game and she is already dead at the start of the game she doesn't really need a dynasty.

If you are searching for errors then it is much more important to check for bugs between 1066 and 1337, then for those before 1066..
 

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House Dhunnunid in Spain also has a floating character, a girl named Zahida. If her dynasty placement is right it looks like she should be the daughter of the current Emir of Dhunnunid and the head of the house, Yahya. His son Isma'il was born only 2 years before Zahida.

House Abbadid from Spain has one too, a man named Abu. He was born in 1000, which doesn't seem to match up with any of the other characters in the dynasty, as the founder would've had to have been 16 at the time to have had him which seems like a stretch, also the founders only son was born like 16 years after 1000. Also Abu is Bedouin, while all the other dynasty members are Andalusian which makes me think he was put in the wrong dynasty.

The House Ansurez from the county of Valladolid has a floating girl named Teresa. I think she was supposed to be the sister of the current dynasty founder, Ansur Ansurez I think his name is. Since he has no parents, they aren't linked. The oldest known of the dynasty was this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Ansúrez_I There's a link in the article to his son, but not to the missing link after that. Just putting in whoever Ansur's father was will fix everything :) So long as she was put in the right dynasty in the first place of course.

This one isn't to do with floating characters but the House de Castilla, which owns the county of Asturias de Santillana in Castille, has a man named Gonzalo who has had two wives. His old one had something like 7 kids with him, and it all worked out fine. When she died and he married another, he had three kids with her. The problem is those three kids are of the mothers dynasty, House de Manzanedo, despite the fact that the marriage is NOT matrilineal. So either make the marriage Matri if it's intended, or change the children's dynasty.

Another case of matrilineal mix-up. Berenguer, second son of the current count of the house d'Empuries has two children, but they are of the mothers dynasty. This is strange as he's pretty high up in the line of succession for the county, and also the marriage isn't matrilineal and most certainly wasn't intended to be.

The House de Besalu which currently has no lands but has contributed to several count families has two floating characters as well. Ava had a child belonging to the preceeding de Cerdanya family which lead to the Besalu's, so I assume she is supposed to be in that family and related to someone in it. Udalard who is a young man and still alive, I can't pin on anyone easily. All I can think of is that he could be the son of Arsenda de Besalu, someone who has never married or had children. I just don't know!
 
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The House de Cerdanya has 3 floating characters. Gotruda looks like she should be the sister of the dynasty founder Oliba, and therefore the daughter of Miro as she was born only six years away from Oliba. Guisla and Isabel are harder. It's really strange that they're in the Cerdanya family as they both were married to Guifre de Cerdanya, who had children with both of them. For this reason I'm gonna say that they were put in the wrong dynasty because they were both born after Guifre, and there's no other branch in the family which would be able to provide them with the dates matching up.

edit: Unless of course they're Guifre's sisters... but then that'd be pretty messed up and half their children should be inbreeds.
 

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The House de Foix has an anomaly. Bernat de Bigorre is the first born son of his father, but was skipped over in inheritance twice for the younger sons, and he's not of the Foix dynasty but has started his own, de Bigorre despite the fact he never recieved any land to justify it. I propose giving him the bastard trait, as it's the only way for this situation to make sense. Of course the game wouldn't give it to him, because he has no mother.

The Duke of the Isles family, the Crovan (KLAHN!) is weird as well. Since the three adult members of the dynasty have no mother, when I played as them it displayed my brother and sister as only half brother and half sister :( I'm researching if there's any parent I can find.

The Duchess of Barcenola and wife of duke Ramon Berenguer or w/e his name is the Old, Almodis is very strange as well. According to her dynasty tree house de La Marche, she's given birth to a ton of de Lusignan and de Toulouse children BEFORE she gave birth to her de Barcenola children. Unless she committed TONS of adultery I don't see how this is possible. She's only ever been married to the old duke of barcenola by the way, so I'm guessing that all those children are supposed to have the default of no mother.
 
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