v1.0.1(4d15) Energy credits are worthless?

[ChiefKamek]

Hi,

Everytime I try to trade energy credits with the AI, it seems to be useless.

The AI will not accept them. Even if I give them 4000 credits for free, or if I want to trade credits for something else.. no matter what I do, they won't accept them. Even if they are at 0 (so not -1000) willingness they won't go to 1.

I assume this is a bug? I'm currently capped with 4500 credits and the AI will not accept them whatsoever.

Thanks!

 

[Xerberus]

i imagine it depends on what the AI currently needs and what its willing to give for it....might work as itended.

 

[ChiefKamek]

I doubt it, honestly. I have been playing for over 10 hours and none of the AIs have been willing to accept even 1 energy credit. Plus, they're friendly and do accept minerals when they need to.

 

[thekaje]

I have used energy credits many times to buy star charts. Literally the entire deal is something like 200 energy for a star chart (map).

 

[spinoza013]

 

[ChiefKamek]

Just tried that out with pretty much all my friendly AIs. Even some with a 95% willingness, Star Charts for 4500 credits starts at -4 and won't move an inch when I offer all my credits.

 

[ChiefKamek]

One of many examples.

 

[thekaje]

They must have some reason for that. I have traded credits for star charts at least three times -- for relatively cheap, too.

 

[ChiefKamek]

Even if you say it could work as intended, it seems to me that it's a bit ridiculous at this point though. I've met about 20 empires and NONE of them have been willing to trade ANYTHING for credits over the span of 12 hours of playtime by now. Either it's a bug or it's unbalanced.

 

[Anjwalker]

I have had this same issue. Actually, when I tried to give my vassal energy because I was at my cap, they wouldn't accept it as they placed 2000 energy at zero value and you need +1 to make them accept. I wasn't asking for anything.

 

[Cymsdale]

It's understandable they wouldn't value energy much because they are more or less worthless, but to not accept them for free and act insulted you are making the offer is a bit silly.

 

[rekiem]

I've successfully traded my energy credits for metal about 10 times with one alien race race, but every time the ratio would worsen (started at about 1:1, ended at 3:1 then he didn't want energy anymore). What's happening is probably the AI has too much engergy or energy income, so it doesn't think it worthy anything on trades.

 

[Anjwalker]

You should be able to give it to free though. Often I want to help out a nation who is my 'buffer' to a bigger state, and this is annoyingly stopping that.

 

[ChiefKamek]

I've successfully traded my energy credits for metal about 10 times with one alien race race, but every time the ratio would worsen (started at about 1:1, ended at 3:1 then he didn't want energy anymore). What's happening is probably the AI has too much engergy or energy income, so it doesn't think it worthy anything on trades.

I understand this could be the issue, but like I said, I've been playing for 12+ hours and so far none of the AI empires have accepted energy, so far the Trade Acceptance hasn't even been affected once.

I can understand some empires wouldn't need energy from me, but all of the empires? Sounds really strange to me.

 

[thekaje]

Yeah, shooting down gifts is weird. I doubt all of them are at their energy caps. It may be a way to prevent buying better relations, but I dunno.

 

[spinoza013]

I should have added to my picture that the race I was trying to give energy to were my Vassals and had positive opinion. I thought they were over reacting to be honest

 

[ChiefKamek]

I should have added to my picture that the race I was trying to give energy to were my Vassals and had positive opinion. I thought they were over reacting to be honest

Yeah, same thing happening here. I've played for 15 hours now, still no deals made with energy.

 

[Xerberus]

Even if you say it could work as intended, it seems to me that it's a bit ridiculous at this point though. I've met about 20 empires and NONE of them have been willing to trade ANYTHING for credits over the span of 12 hours of playtime by now. Either it's a bug or it's unbalanced.

listen, energy credits ...especially in the mid and lategame are mostly a non-issue. at that time they work more like batteries of how long you can sustain your war fleet without the cost rreducing spaceports. most of the empires are capped or nearly capped out with the energy storage and have no reason to accept the energy credits...even for free. i can imagine that if you give them like 4500 energy creedits most of them won't accept simply because they can't accept this deal because 4500 energy credits will most likely overcap them. so yeah, energy credits are decent early on for some simple trading, but later on quite useless in the long run.

 

[Cymsdale]

There really should be some kind of energy dump. If I'm getting capped at minerals I can build something, if I'm capped at influence I can enact some random edict, but energy you really have few options.

 

[Carewolf2]

I have traded energy to AI., some accept it, especially in the beginning. But most of AI have too much of it,just like me, so they don't want any more. Anyway, I have started using excess energy to build robots, or just run energy deficits for a few decades.