V:R - No American Civil War?

[Justinian_A]

So anyways...I somehow avoided the American Civil War. I haven't played the USA in a long time, but I remembered something about states having events to get accepted into the union. Anyways, the admission date of Oregon came and went, so I said hell with it and admitted every state in one fell swoop. This was around 1852. Then the American party won the presidential election...and continued to hold onto power until well into the 1880s. The Civil War never occured, and now I'm almost in the 20th century with a sizeable slave population. So, I guess my question is...is it too late for the Civil War to fire? Is there some event that will allow for the abolition of slaves? Or am I doomed to have a slave empire for the rest of the game?

 

[Ayeshteni]

No Civil War for you.

Get a Full_Citizenship party into power (through hook or by crook), you should then get an event that will allow you to emancipate.

Ayeshteni

 

[unmerged(106891)]

I noticed this when playing Revolutions a lot too... I can't recall any game where the civil war actually occured in the USA... and if it did... it was over really quick (so quick that I didn't notice it!). Strange!

 

[unmerged(112237)]

That's odd, the civil war has always happened in my games. I always wanted the South to win, so that the USA can't become a powerhouse. But it never happened. I think I'll join in next time.

 

[ZmajOgnjeniVuk]

That's odd, the civil war has always happened in my games. I always wanted the South to win, so that the USA can't become a powerhouse. But it never happened. I think I'll join in next time.

In my game, there was one, but the CSA was annexed within a year!

 

[unmerged(112237)]

Yeah, that's pretty much what happened with mine, though I can't say for sure as I never paid much attention to America

 

[JoeGiavani]

I've always had it trigger in my games, both as the US and as other countries.
In addition, there's a mod about that actually makes the CSA capable of sticking up for itself, and viable as a playable country.
IIRC the civil war will only trigger if you have the Republicans in power, actually.

 

[CSABadass]

In addition, there's a mod about that actually makes the CSA capable of sticking up for itself, and viable as a playable country.

I think that's my cue:

 

[unmerged(104878)]

I found it odd that (playing as the CSA) how impossibly unfair it was. I mean, I got lucky because the Union left a 70000 block sitting offstage for a couple years, but I still had no army by 1864.

 

[unmerged(13764)]

IIRC the civil war will only trigger if you have the Republicans in power, actually.

I believe that is the case, and to get the Republicans in power, you have to change your voting rights to "Wealth". Then change them back after the Civil War breaks out (if you want to)

 

[Justinian_A]

No Civil War for you.

Get a Full_Citizenship party into power (through hook or by crook), you should then get an event that will allow you to emancipate.

Ayeshteni

The Republicans have been in power for 16 years now - they're Full_Citizenship - and this event hasn't come. I'm getting near the turn of the century and the USA is still a slave state.

 

[Ayeshteni]

The Republicans have been in power for 16 years now - they're Full_Citizenship - and this event hasn't come. I'm getting near the turn of the century and the USA is still a slave state.

Hmm odd.

Well I looked into the event files and indeed there are 3 events for the USA that gets rid of slavery, each dependent on what party is in power at the time. Unfortunately they each need the civil war event to have fired.

Look in the USA event file for events 14182, 14295 and 14296 (all called reconstruction). You may be able to delete the event trigger (event 14119 I think) and you may need to extend the death date.

If you do not want to use those, Brazil has two events you may be able to employ (events 16300 and 16301)

Aye.

 

[unmerged(17307)]

i read here on the forum that if you play the game on a faster then "normal" speed-mode it sometimes do not fire events. the faster you play the more likely it happens.

maybe that is the problem.

 

[SimuLord]

The ACW always fires in my games, and the Union always wins decisively in a matter or months (which, I suppose, could've happened just as easily had every major Union General other than Sheridan, Sherman, and Grant not been a bunch of incompetent fools or for that matter had the South not had Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee.)

I'd never thought of DoWing the USA to intervene on the South's behalf, perhaps because as a Boston native I've been hardcoded to think of Southerners as a bunch of NASCAR-loving rednecks who wouldn't be worth helping.

 

[OHgamer]

i read here on the forum that if you play the game on a faster then "normal" speed-mode it sometimes do not fire events. the faster you play the more likely it happens.

maybe that is the problem.

that is mainly a problem with VIP mod added to a game because it has so many many more events for the game engine to check.

Playing basic unmodded Revolutions, I've not noticed any problems with event skipping myself, though I tend to play at no more than above-normal level in any case.

Still, saving and restarting every couple years is a good practice to get into, and taking a break at regular intervals will be something your eyes will appreciate in future years.

 

[unmerged(76802)]

I found it odd that (playing as the CSA) how impossibly unfair it was. I mean, I got lucky because the Union left a 70000 block sitting offstage for a couple years, but I still had no army by 1864.

The problem is that Vicky removes all of the South's strengths and all the Union's weaknesses. So you're fighting a steamroller with your face. And you have no teeth. And your bones are made of silly putty.

 

[Olaus Petrus]

I noticed this when playing Revolutions a lot too... I can't recall any game where the civil war actually occured in the USA... and if it did... it was over really quick (so quick that I didn't notice it!). Strange!

It usually fires in my games. In my Prussia/Germany game I laughed when I noticed that Mexico had joined to American Civil War and managed to conquer most of the CSA. Union won, but after the war they couldn't take those lands from large Mexico.

 

[unmerged(115973)]

It is correct that the republican party has to be in power, but it has to be in power at that exact time (1850-60) otherwise you'll just skipp the civil war

 

[unmerged(115973)]

Hey

I'm new here, what are the files you are refering to? It sounds interesting

Hmm odd.

Well I looked into the event files and indeed there are 3 events for the USA that gets rid of slavery, each dependent on what party is in power at the time. Unfortunately they each need the civil war event to have fired.

Look in the USA event file for events 14182, 14295 and 14296 (all called reconstruction). You may be able to delete the event trigger (event 14119 I think) and you may need to extend the death date.

If you do not want to use those, Brazil has two events you may be able to employ (events 16300 and 16301)

Aye.

 

[doublezero]

There was no Civil War in my USA game in VIPR; I forget if it was version 0.1 or 0.2. I wanted to fight the Civil War to get it out of the way so I could move on. But it didn't fire. Why? I think it was because the Republicans were in power. I got them elected in the 1850s, I forget which year, but as soon as that Party became available, I manipulated the taxes and voting structure to get them elected.

I thought you need the Republicans in power to start the Civil War. (Just like most other American wars)

But there was no war. I waited through 3 more elections, into the 1870s, and there was never a war. I had all these troops sitting on the Mason-Dixon Line, waiting for a war which never happened.

So I reloaded in the 1850s, left the Democrats in power, and guess what.. the Civil War started in 1860.

So go figure.