V.9 of MKJ's Grand Campaign

[AlanC9]

MKJ: do you have a brief list of which historical lapses are corrected in your GC? I'd like to know what to look for. Besides the new nations, of course.

Also, have you noticed that your new nations' flags glow in the dark? That is, they're much brighter than other flags when they're in fog-of-war.

And shouldn't you be attributing the conception of some of those Ottoman events to Solmyr?

 

[Mad King James]

eeers: You should be able to

Angelos: Whatthe? Armenia is a Paradox nation...will look into it

AlanC9: The flags do that because they are 24bit instead of 8bit, if you get the GUFSM they'll all glow And I came up with my Ottoman events completely by myself, as far as I know they're totally different from anyone else's. If not hey, great minds think alike

 

[AlanC9]

Originally posted by Mad King James
The flags do that because they are 24bit instead of 8bit, if you get the GUFSM they'll all glow And I came up with my Ottoman events completely by myself, as far as I know they're totally different from anyone else's. If not hey, great minds think alike [/B]

It's quite a harmonic convergence. See for yourself:EEP Mamelukes. It's the second batch of events with the code tag.

Of course, once you've decided to model the event, there are only so many ways to do it right.

 

[Mad King James]

Yeah I was involved in that thread actually
I knew I forgot to credit someone, Solmyr gave me the idea for some of the Mameluke events. The 'Arabs turn to the Ottoman Sultan' events have been hashed out quite a bit though, and I proposed my own version in that thread too I think

Anyhow, I need to add Skanderbeg to the thanks list too

edit: hmm where DID I put those events? oh well

 

[AlanC9]

Looks like some version of those events is going to get into the EEP too, if we can ever sort out which edit we want. Sometimes I can't remember which mod I'm playing with.

 

[unmerged(255)]

Great job MKJ! One question though...was giving the Ottomans a test run with a friend yesterday and never got 'Arab' state culture nor CB shields south of Syria. This made the total conquest of Mameluks quite unlikely even by us, the human player, due to BB value. Syria, Palestine et al did pass onto Ottomans once the provinces there fell however.

PS: Checked the event lists for Ottomans as well as Mameluks and there's nothing I could find concerning Arab state culture nor CBs on Egypt--was this intentional?

 

[Mad King James]

Ahh crap I missed one thing, the Hedjaz has to be alive for the 'Arab Betrayal' event set to fire, forgot to remove that tag.
If you remove exists = ARA from it it'll work

 

[unmerged(255)]

Originally posted by Mad King James
Ahh crap I missed one thing, the Hedjaz has to be alive for the 'Arab Betrayal' event set to fire, forgot to remove that tag.
If you remove exists = ARA from it it'll work

That explains it, will change that.

Oh one more thing; any ideas on what (if any) effect changing the default religion for Sivas to Shi'te would have on an AI Ottoman Empire? The region is historically home to some of the largest concentration of Shiites & Alevites in Asia Minor---Selim the Grim is famous for massacring thousands there on his way back from the Persian Campaign. The population in EU Sivas province frequently appealed to Safavid Shahs for 'justice' against the Sunni Ottoman sultans.

 

[Mad King James]

Sounds good

 

[unmerged(255)]

Originally posted by Mad King James
Sounds good

Excellent, eagerly awaiting MKJGC v.10 (almost cried trying to play Pommern in v.09 btw, was so different from an earlier experience with regular EU2 1.05 )

 

[unmerged(6816)]

Hmm you give the Muskovites Mongol culture wouldn't altai be more apropriate since you messed with the cultures in that area?

 

[unmerged(3236)]

Originally posted by tuna


That explains it, will change that.

Oh one more thing; any ideas on what (if any) effect changing the default religion for Sivas to Shi'te would have on an AI Ottoman Empire? The region is historically home to some of the largest concentration of Shiites & Alevites in Asia Minor---Selim the Grim is famous for massacring thousands there on his way back from the Persian Campaign. The population in EU Sivas province frequently appealed to Safavid Shahs for 'justice' against the Sunni Ottoman sultans.

should be shia moslem then and there should be some events reducing the pop if it isnt changed trough missionaries (v.10?)

 

[unmerged(255)]

Originally posted by Lars


should be shia moslem then and there should be some events reducing the pop if it isnt changed trough missionaries (v.10?)

Yes that does make sense---existence of Persia might be a precondition as it was the threat of internal colloberation with a rival (and hostile) dynasty that precipitated most of the massacres in that region.

 

[unmerged(7994)]

I found this in V.8, still in V.9:

Should event 89841 in the Byzantium events file be for Byzantium or Morea?

As it stands, the event is for Morea. The event states that if Morea owns Trabzon, Kaffa and Kerch, and the Turks have taken Trabzon (event 89017) then, Trabzon, Kaffa and Kerch become Greek Orthodox.

Here is the event for reference:

event = {
id = 89841
trigger = {
event = 89017
owned = { province = 475 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 464 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 465 data = -1 }
}
random = no
country = U09
name = "Greeks of the Black Sea"
desc = "The Turks heavily settled the Black Sea after the fall of Trebizond."
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }

action_a ={
name = "Retake lost lands"
command = { type = provinceculture which = 475 value = greek }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 475 value = orthodox }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 464 value = greek }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 464 value = orthodox }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 465 value = greek }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 465 value = orthodox }
}
}

 

[unmerged(7994)]

Another question:

In event 3640, Hungary has the option to inherit itself: a slight problem. Is the event supposed to be Turkey's?

The event is listed below as a reference:

#The Fate of Hungary#
event = {

id = 3640
trigger = {
exists = HAB
exists = SIE
event = 3644
}
random = no
country = HUN
name = "The End of Hungary"
desc = "Upon the death of the last Transylvanian king, the Turks annexed Hungary under the pretense of protecting the interests of the King's only son and heir."
style = 2

date = { day = 21 month = july year = 1540 }
offset = 1000
deathdate = { day = 22 month = july year = 1600 }

action_a ={
name = "Annex Them"
command = { type = inherit which = HUN }
}

action_b ={
name = "Let the Habsburgs have Hungary"
command = { type = trigger which = 3098 }
}
}

 

[Mad King James]

I believe Morea and Byzantium both get events for the chance that Morea chooses not to retake the Byzantine mantle but still recaptures that area. If I'm incorrect I'll rectify that mistake.

The end of hungary problem is a definite screw-up though :/ thanks for pointing that out to me

 

[Angelos]

The Roman Empire is great .Btw,does it have an event to get shields on the western half of the empire(beyond Apulia and the Dalmatian coast,that is)?
In v.10 could you also add some fantastic leaders?It gets a bit boring having none after the 1450's...I am in 1576 and enjoying it greatly.Congrats .

 

[Mad King James]

I was trying to find greek Janissary leaders to use as Byzantine leaders, but had trouble finding them
Ahh hell with it, I'll just chuck some in I'll add them sort of at the same rate and level as Ottoman leaders to keep some historical feel for the area.

I was writing events for reclaiming Italy, but I don't think the Roman Empire had any claim over northern and central italy, and certainly not frankish areas, if such lands were taken it would definitely be considered an invasion and annexation without claim or causus belli. I think I'll add Venice and Romagna to the Roman Italy event though.

 

[Angelos]

Could i pm you a couple of events about this specific issue?I know you don't take suggestions but i would like to put them in your judgement anyway...
About those names,be careful about their choice(so they don't sound muslimlike).

 

[Mad King James]

I always take suggestions, I just don't always implement them