Usurping the throne as regent ?

[yezhanquan]

I would rather think that it depends on the opinion between the regent and the young ruler. If the regent has a high opinion of the young ruler, why shouldn't he remain loyal?

 

[Sleight of Hand]

I would rather think that it depends on the opinion between the regent and the young ruler. If the regent has a high opinion of the young ruler, why shouldn't he remain loyal?

Oh yes, of course. I thought that would have been a given, sorry. A content regent with good traits and relations (particularly if a family member) with the monarch would obviously try to genuinely help and protect them.

 

[yezhanquan]

Oh yes, of course. I thought that would have been a given, sorry. A content regent with good traits and relations (particularly if a family member) with the monarch would obviously try to genuinely help and protect them.

Or a queer one. Bonus points for a female regent for the young lady...

 

[Theddude]

Agree. Come to think Duke(s) of Albany and James I of Scotland when Albany had policies which were outright contrary to James's interests like fighting the English in France, when James was held "guest" (prisoner) at the English court. The regent should be able to declare wars and peaces, deal with vassals etc. It should be serious threat to the ruler and make players avoid the thing like plague.

I think only once in my games my regents have really played against me (if not counting the numerous times when they had added their massive plot powers to assassinate me, underage child). I was playing as a junior/cadet branch of the Seljuks, ie Muslims, when my old Beylerbey got the Alzheimer (infirm, incapable) and my first wife (quite cunning and ambitious, IIRC) was appointed the regent. She took a couple of beyliks from me and I couldn't do nothing. It was quite funny actually. She ruled them in her own name, a Muslim lady. Later when the son inherited, those counties were quite easy to get back and get the bitch imprisoned (not the mother of the new ruler).

Ha, wow, that is pretty great. That reminds me of a similar situation I had as Poland where a Pommeranian Pagan wound up in my court and then as Regent for my incapable old king. He gave himself Danzig, but when the new King came to the throne he was promptly arrested and executed.

I think if the Regent is the Ruler's mother or family member or loyal enough to them, they should have control. If it's a vassal or disloyal spymaster/claimant then the regent should have control. This would make it more interesting for the player, trying to get your mother or a friend to the regency so you can have control and survive. But yeah, when the player is regent they should have basically full powers and be able to do all sorts of scheming. We almost really do need a plots DLC.

 

[yezhanquan]

Plots, events.... We need a Misc. DLC where we add flavour. Lots of it.

 

[Galaahd]

Problem is that right now you can only hope to get the event, which is totally random and pretty much rare.

I'd rather see a more pro-active approach with new plots available for regents, with which they can try to usurp the kingdom, lock away the underage king, that sort of stuff.

 

[riadach]

Hello there !

I wonder if I can usurp the Byzantine Empire (I'm actually King of Anatolia) as regent. I have a claim made by a plot. Is that possible ?

Funny fact: I play Alexios Komnenos, who have been emperor in the true story.

Yes, with the acquire Byzantine Empire plot. Your ward accepts unconditionally, iirc.

 

[Djieh]

Yes, with the acquire Byzantine Empire plot. Your ward accepts unconditionally, iirc.

Is that still a plot? I thought these were factions now? Might still work in both cases, though.

 

[Bob_the_Insane]

Problem is that right now you can only hope to get the event, which is totally random and pretty much rare.

I'd rather see a more pro-active approach with new plots available for regents, with which they can try to usurp the kingdom, lock away the under-age king, that sort of stuff.

I like this, but you would not want it to be too easy, every time a regency comes along, for the player to "plot to become regent", followed by"plot to gain liege's title" and finally "plot to usurp the throne"...

I really like the idea of the Regent taking control of decisions (at least some) however I worry that it could make the game a little boring for the player with the under-age ruler if all the player had left to do during a regency was to stick the game on high speed and hope they got to the other end still alive and still in charge...

If the player remains in control it would be unfair for any tyranny to apply to the regent as that could be an opportunity abuse the game in the last year of the regency just to have opinions reset a short while later when the regency ends...

I like the idea of a regency being a challenging time of the player of the ruler and a time of opportunity for ambitious vassals but I think implementing that will be challenging...

 

[Mods]

I agree, playing as regent needs to be like playing as ruler

would you like it if when you have a kid ruler your kingdom gets run by the AI for a couple of years?

 

[Sleight of Hand]

would you like it if when you have a kid ruler your kingdom gets run by the AI for a couple of years?

Yes, because it would be completely realistic. A child would (usually) have had f--k all say in how a realm was run.

 

[Bob_the_Insane]

Yes, because it would be completely realistic. A child would (usually) have had f--k all say in how a realm was run.

If you want that level of realism then I think Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie are still up for grabs (if you have any spare sons)...

Seriously, I would personally expect a little more game-play that simply putting the game on fast speed for the duration of a Regency and hoping for the best...

 

[Chazzen01]

DELETED, read in another thread, never in any circumstance shall you reply to spam/ads.

 

[Closet Skeleton]

I think we need a 'Power behind the throne' expansion. This used to be a game of 'strategy and intrigue', now its just a game about having a ridiculously big empire like every other Paradox game.

I forget, but can you declare war as a minor? You shouldn't be able to, and it'd be interesting (and pretty accurate) if your most important diplomatic powers -- those involving the realm as a whole -- were given to your regent for the duration of your reign.

Once I was playing as Henry the Lion and only had three daughters before dying. Due to gavelkind and low crown authority my two little sisters declared war on each other for their titles before the older was 4. My 7 year old then had them both murdered for tearing the family apart.

 

[Mods]

Well, look who we have here...

quoting a spambot doesnt help you know, you're just doubling the amount of spam

 

[Chazzen01]

quoting a spambot doesnt help you know, you're just doubling the amount of spam

Well, I was actually trying to get this on the deletion list for Moderators.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

This used to be a game of 'strategy and intrigue', now its just a game about having a ridiculously big empire like every other Paradox game.

Interesting analysis.

When did that change, and as a result of what?

 

[The_Blind_One]

Once I was playing as Henry the Lion and only had three daughters before dying. Due to gavelkind and low crown authority my two little sisters declared war on each other for their titles before the older was 4. My 7 year old then had them both murdered for tearing the family apart.

rofl, must have been one of their tantrums that got the axe swinging

 

[cl4yn4tion]

I think we need a 'Power behind the throne' expansion. This used to be a game of 'strategy and intrigue', now its just a game about having a ridiculously big empire like every other Paradox game.



Once I was playing as Henry the Lion and only had three daughters before dying. Due to gavelkind and low crown authority my two little sisters declared war on each other for their titles before the older was 4. My 7 year old then had them both murdered for tearing the family apart.

Sounds like a pseudo King Lear scenario, which there are not enough of those

 

[Theddude]

If you want that level of realism then I think Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie are still up for grabs (if you have any spare sons)...

Seriously, I would personally expect a little more game-play that simply putting the game on fast speed for the duration of a Regency and hoping for the best...

Did anybody see my suggestion? You could have control when the Regent is your mother or somebody close and loyal to you but lose control when it's a rival or a vassal or something. That could be a way of balancing it out between having all control and having no control. Tyranny should be assigned to the regent, but once your 13 or 14 or something it should start being assigned to the king, since he is presumably old enough for vassals to blame, and this would stop abuse of the regents in the last year because your regent would be overthrown in time for a rival to take control if you try it.