Usurping the Caliphate

[Kansai-kun]

I've been playing the Umayyads a few times - building them up into a regional power - and something always bothered me: Even when my empire stretches from Santiago to Rome, from Mauretania to the Sinai peninsula, I can't be Caliph. The Caliph's sitting in a small rump state at the Levantine coast. To actually (re)claim the title of Caliph I'd have to wipe them completely off the map.

So here's a susggestion: Why not introduce a "Usurp the Caliphate" CB for Sayyid characters? This way a weak Caliph could actually lose his position to another Muslim power. If, for example, the Abbasids crumble, a neighbouring dynasty (with the Sayyid trait) could wrest the title of Caliph from them.
It'd make a lot more sense in my opinion. The Abbasids didn't wipe the Umayyads off the map when they usurped the Caliphate. And neither should we have to.

 

[Rags17]

Not enough +1's for you good sire

 

[coolkid651]

i'd make it so that if you meet the requirements to form the caplihate but it is already held then you can form a rival caliphate that drains moral authority but gives you must of the advantages that being a caliph grants you. you are then able to wage war to claim the real caliphate or for a caliph to strike down a pretender

 

[Kansai-kun]

i'd make it so that if you meet the requirements to form the caplihate but it is already held then you can form a rival caliphate that drains moral authority but gives you must of the advantages that being a caliph grants you. you are then able to wage war to claim the real caliphate or for a caliph to strike down a pretender

That sounds like a very good idea.

 

[Rabbit Burgher]

I've been playing the Umayyads a few times - building them up into a regional power - and something always bothered me: Even when my empire stretches from Santiago to Rome, from Mauretania to the Sinai peninsula, I can't be Caliph. The Caliph's sitting in a small rump state at the Levantine coast. To actually (re)claim the title of Caliph I'd have to wipe them completely off the map.

Good suggestion, but also, unless they hold another kingdom/empire title, usurping the Arabian empire wil make them lose their caliph title, or at least it did in my Roman game.

 

[Happy Neyka]

This is must have thing, always bother some for me as well while playing muslim dynasty. Never got the idea why you should completely wipe them instead simply usurping the title since you are clearly a superior power in the region