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Even if both would be communist Im not so sure that they would become each other allies like Soviet and China separated.
That's easy. Communists always fight with each other, communist rulers and bureaucrats are terrible, disgusting, unfathomable people.
Sooner or later they either will cease to be real communists or implode.
You're probably right. Damn. That's more boring than I had thought. Ok, what if the US allies with Japan? What happens then?
The Soviets and Chinese certainly didn't get along.
An American ally might mellow the Soviets out, they would be in a much more secure position.
An American ally might mellow the Soviets out, they would be in a much more secure position.
I wonder how motivated USA soldiers would be to attack a country which they could expect no mercy from if captured. The attack would be peformed in the worst location far from the most important areas in the Soviet (so a long war). A country that have very nasty weather and ruled by a leader who did not care about throwing away lives at all because he knew that if the enemy was not willing to do exact the same he would eventually win.
I doubt the american soldiers would be willing to stay in that war for long, the Germans tought that the eastern front was the absolute worst place to be in and they did have alot of advantages over this american invasion. It would be a war with millions of casulties on both sides in a never ending conflict very similar to the real life eastern front. A single month or 2 could cause more american casulties then they took during the whole WW2, that is the scale. Casulty ratios would probably be around 1 to 1, who would be willing to continue the grind for the longest would most likely be the winner.
How long do you think the american public would support such a war? Stalin probably knew exactly what it would take to defeat the americans.
I doubt the american soldiers would be willing to stay in that war for long, the Germans tought that the eastern front was the absolute worst place to be in and they did have alot of advantages over this american invasion. It would be a war with millions of casulties on both sides in a never ending conflict very similar to the real life eastern front. A single month or 2 could cause more american casulties then they took during the whole WW2, that is the scale. Casulty ratios would probably be around 1 to 1, who would be willing to continue the grind for the longest would most likely be the winner.
How long do you think the american public would support such a war? Stalin probably knew exactly what it would take to defeat the americans.
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And war against whom?
Defeat -> protect against.
The USSR would have even harder time attacking the USA.
Basically it is one of those PDX games dumb AI wars where an AI from really faraway declares and then it ends without anything.
Fighting Japan meant brutal treatment if captured, and devastating heat and disease even if not. Casualties ran high. Things moved along.
The pacific war was manpower light. Simple logistical necessity meant few men were put in danger.
more americans went MIA in the Pacific Theater than died in all of Vietnam.
It was hardly manpower lite.
This just highlights how few were killed in Vietnam.
When I was there, the death rate for my cohort in LA was much higher than in Vietnam.
It also shows just how many men were involved. The American war effort in the Pacific was massive. Not as massive as that in Europe, but it required the mobilization of millions of men.
Leyete gulf was the largest naval battle of the Pacific theater. Both sides had about 200k men combined. In manpower terms, that's not that much. Naval warfare means that only a small number are serving near the front while almost everyone is far beyond the front putting the logistical tail in place. This was true of Europe as well but not to the same extent.
Soviets and USA fighting a war to the finish in 1941 is ridiculous.
But what if the USA went to war to enforce American claims on and avenge the settlers of Wrangel island in 1924?
Who would win the Schooner war?
But what if the USA went to war to enforce American claims on and avenge the settlers of Wrangel island in 1924?
Who would win the Schooner war?
In EU game terms, US versus SU results in a "White Peace" situation. Lots of casualties, some temporary land changes on the edges, but ultimately nothing that forces one side or the other to capitulate. Eventually they get tired of sending troops to their deaths for no gain, war weariness sets in, and there's a cease-fire or trivial settlement with no real teeth to it. Personally, I suspect that the Soviets would have taken a lot more damage and casualties, but would be better able to bear that, and would essentially hold out until the US public got fed up with it and looked for any excuse to back out.
OP's question: "USSR vs USA 1941 who wins?"
My answer: "Nobody, everyone loses". The Soviet Union might lose more, but ultimately I don't see any way for either side to "win".
OP's question: "USSR vs USA 1941 who wins?"
My answer: "Nobody, everyone loses". The Soviet Union might lose more, but ultimately I don't see any way for either side to "win".
My idea was to presume a sudden border between the eastern or Southerm US and USSR in 1941. Just to compare military ability and capacity. USSR started out with a lot of stuff and America had a relatively small professional military at the time.
I think the USSR would crush through at first but would eventually be beaten back. If I'm not mistaken, it would take a while for America to ramp up and the USSR had more manpower than America
I think the USSR would crush through at first but would eventually be beaten back. If I'm not mistaken, it would take a while for America to ramp up and the USSR had more manpower than America
1v1 Nobody wins. Russia could not invade the U.S, and I don't see how a U.S invasion amounts to anything but a ton of dead on both sides. I think the U.S would win any naval warfare, but that wouldn't matter in Russia proper. Maybe if this was some fantasy world with different land masses naval warfare could mean the difference lol.