Using Vassal CBs

[RobotJINI]

I'm looking for clarification on when I can use my vassals CBs to start a war.

Right now I have had no problem using my vassals CBs for claims or cores.

Also I have been able to use the tribal feud casus belli, but I can not use the tribal conquest casus belli of a vassal.

It seems I also can not use the Holy War Cb of a vassal. Although I am not the same religion as the vassal with the CB so that might be an issue. I could also imagine a situation where both me and my vassal need to be of the same religion and both have religious ideas before I can use their holy war CB. IDK if anyone has tried this or not.

It would also be interesting to know if you could use a European vassal to get the conquest casus bellis verse Natives and Asia Countries(forget the name of the CBS atm)

 

[atwix]

i'm also keen to find this out.

If your vassal took expansion or religious: can you decalre with religious CB then all the time to any neighbour of them? It would be... interesting.

If you make Muscovy your vassal, can you declare on entire Asia if they finished expansion idea group?

 

[achmedino]

This feature is really strange, for some reason horde vassal's tribal feud can be used but the one for countries that aren't hordes aren't. Also my vassal got the religious idea group and finished it, but I can't declare a holy war for them...

 

[atwix]

This feature is really strange, for some reason horde vassal's tribal feud can be used but the one for countries that aren't hordes aren't. Also my vassal got the religious idea group and finished it, but I can't declare a holy war for them...

I think you can only declare conquest/reconquest with vassals, since they keep making claims now.

 

[mattkunz]

Even with reconquest of my vassal I've had to eat the whole AE and return cores wasn't an option. I wonder how much of this is WAD...

 

[Kagemin]

Even with reconquest of my vassal I've had to eat the whole AE and return cores wasn't an option. I wonder how much of this is WAD...

You can transfer occupation of the provinces your vassals have claims and cores on to them and give them these provinces in the peace deal.

 

[mattkunz]

You can transfer occupation of the provinces your vassals have claims and cores on to them and give them these provinces in the peace deal.

That's what I did and i got full AE for those provinces.

 

[lordelenath]

That's what I did and i got full AE for those provinces.

That's WAD and was stated as such by Wiz (I think). Since they made it a hell of a lot easier to vassal feed again, in exchange you're eating the AE now if there is any. I haven't played a lot yet, but as of now I was able to use conquest, reconquest and tribal feud (I think).

 

[atwix]

That's what I did and i got full AE for those provinces.

wait, you thought you could abuse this? This feature is actually a fix. Before this, a country that is your subject would occupy an entire country in their name if they had claims to it, and you could feed your vassal the entire country so to speak without player getting ae. Now they make claims, you can make a super blob march vassal, and you want no ae for it?

 

[RobRoy3]

wait, you thought you could abuse this? This feature is actually a fix. Before this, a country that is your subject would occupy an entire country in their name if they had claims to it, and you could feed your vassal the entire country so to speak without player getting ae. Now they make claims, you can make a super blob march vassal, and you want no ae for it?

You're probably thinking of the situation with cores. Previously, subjects wouldn't even occupy claims (though allies would).

I never thought it was abusive, that you wouldn't have to pay dip costs or suffer AE when the province was conquered by a core-holder. Isn't that the whole point of the reconquest CB? I'd always thought the bug was when you had to pay costs to "return core" to someone fighting in the same war, even if they occupied the province.

In fact, if it's FULL AE cost, the feature seems borderline useless. Better to try to fabricate a claim, yourself and feed it the old-fashioned way.

 

[RobotJINI]

You're probably thinking of the situation with cores. Previously, subjects wouldn't even occupy claims (though allies would).

I never thought it was abusive, that you wouldn't have to pay dip costs or suffer AE when the province was conquered by a core-holder. Isn't that the whole point of the reconquest CB? I'd always thought the bug was when you had to pay costs to "return core" to someone fighting in the same war, even if they occupied the province.

In fact, if it's FULL AE cost, the feature seems borderline useless. Better to try to fabricate a claim, yourself and feed it the old-fashioned way.

AE isnt as important as pre 1.8. I have been taking 10-12 provinces at a time and few people will join coalition against me. It just doesn't build as fast.

 

[RobotJINI]

So from everyones experiences it makes it sound like I should only be able to declare war in support of my vassals core or claims.

Maybe the fact I can still use tribal feud is just a bug/oversite by paradox and really shouldn't work.

Alternatively maybe you can only use Casus Bellis that have war goal type take province.

http://www.eu4wiki.com/Casus_belli