Useless puppets ?

[De_Genius]

In my brothers Soviet game starting in '44, he has defeated Germany and got Finland and Bulgaria as puppets. He also took it further and puppeted Yugoslavia in early 45.
But are puppets that good ? He has tried to trade techs with them, but to trade one lousy tech, he has to offer 5000 of all resources plus 5 techs . Now that seems like that something is very wrong. Why don't they just give the techs to him like ordinary allies do ?
Puppets are good because of their ressources, but is this really the only good thing about them ?

If puppets are this useless, they might as well just be released and invited to the alliance as allies to make them more usefull.

 

[unmerged(54975)]

normally if you wait they will offer the blueprints for nothing like an ally.

 

[Permanganate]

Puppets still use the embargo lines in their AI, so if their puppetmaster's on that list, they'll only accept lousy deals - and lots of countries embargo, resist, combat, or otherwise dislike SOV. Edit the savegame (keep a backup) and remove SOV from the two embargo lists of those countries .

 

[unmerged(27192)]

Permangante could you please tell me which line I have to edit for that? I just had a look in the savegame and I have no clue where to look.

 

[JiM_cz]

Permangante could you please tell me which line I have to edit for that? I just had a look in the savegame and I have no clue where to look.

The same thing you are asking is described in this topic:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239634

 

[De_Genius]

this seems to do to trick:

I’ve changed two things in save file to at least a little improve these bugs. First I deleted „embargo = { JAP MAN }” and then replaced all countries in “trade = { favored = { GER = 100.....” with "{ JAP MAN }”.

 

[chemphys]

I've never had a problem getting blueprints from my puppets, though it sometimes takes a few days/weeks after they researched them. They also don't seem to offer a blueprint if you are more than 1 tech behind (i.e. they have advanced anti-tank and you're on basic anti tank).

BTW, if you give your puppets resources in exchange for blueprints, you get it all back the next day, well any that they have over 1000 of in their stockpile.

 

[Invader_Canuck]

I've noticed that Puppets will often share blue prints IF you are currently researching it.

For example, as Japan with Nat Chi as a puppet, I found as I was researching SP artillery in a recent game, a line they had completed, each time I complete a project they fed me the new blueprint once I started the next step.

 

[JiM_cz]

this seems to do to trick:

Yes, exactly. So what was your result like?