Use of NAVY

[Aloisius]

First.. excuse my bad english.

Second the question: I don't undertand the use of the Navy in Victoria.
If in the peace negotiations.. victory and losses are not countered..what is the use of the fleet? Only for transport?
I think better was as in EU2 where also victory of the fleet are countered in peace negotiations.

 

[unmerged(19598)]

You are correct, you mentioned transport. The entire usefullness of a navy in Victoria is limited to transport of your armies overseas. Thats why other nations build navies, to prevent you from doing this. So navies do have a point, they allow you to operate all over the world with your army, by using transports and to ensure your transports make it to the destination you want, you need capable warships to defend them. 2 and 2 go together and the usefulness of navies is evident.

 

[Memnon]

I wouldn't say it's limited to transport. It's a great way to keep others from being able to invade you, and a good way to raise your military score.

If you control straits like the bosporus, people can't move across them.

 

[unmerged(19598)]

I knew I was going to miss out on important points like you just mentioned Memnon. My go at giving advice was defeated. I hereby raise the white flag and surrender

 

[unmerged(18692)]

helps with defense and offense of land units

 

[brandnew70x7]

and its just cool to have a navy ;-)

 

[Memnon]

And don't forget that Battleships (and for the moment, only battleships) can bombard land units if they're offshore during a battle in a coastal province.

 

[unmerged(27373)]

Navies aren't as important in single player mode as in multiplayer mode. But, navies can still help, in my Russian AAR, you can see how I used my navy to annex Annam quickly as well as korea, japan, china, etc.

When I played Prussia in MP, I used landing to land south of St. Petersburg. Navy really give you lots more options during war.

 

[unmerged(24218)]

Projection of power, defense against invasion....

I remember reading that fleets can be useful in blockades. NOT of your enemy's home territories, as might be assumed, but of their foreign colonies -- that doing so cuts off the flow of goods back to the capital, thus hurting their economy. Is this true?

And don't forget that Battleships (and for the moment, only battleships) can bombard land units if they're offshore during a battle in a coastal province.

 

[unmerged(7458)]

Also a way to increase your military rating without drawing on manpower. A higher military rating than your enemy supposedly makes the AI more accepting to peace deals. Likewise, using your navy to defeat your enemy's navy will decrease his military rating. England appears to be much more accomodating to peace offers once their navy is smashed.

Building dreadnought ships also raises prestige. (Although I confess I haven't tracked the exact numbers.

Stilicho

 

[Memnon]

Projection of power, defense against invasion....

I remember reading that fleets can be useful in blockades. NOT of your enemy's home territories, as might be assumed, but of their foreign colonies -- that doing so cuts off the flow of goods back to the capital, thus hurting their economy. Is this true?

Sadly, no. Blockades are pretty much ineffective as far as I know, though I would love to be proven wrong on that.

 

[Memnon]

Also a way to increase your military rating without drawing on manpower.

Except that they still take manpower, unfortunately. Though it doesn't appear in the cost of the ship, it still requires it, IIRC.

 

[Lotus Lo]

i think it works for overseas. say you actually get colonies to become states... if you blockade them, you dont get the goods sent home... however, i have never confirmed this, but i do know that for a colony there is the blockade percentage listed by the production eff

 

[Memnon]

i think it works for overseas. say you actually get colonies to become states... if you blockade them, you dont get the goods sent home... however, i have never confirmed this, but i do know that for a colony there is the blockade percentage listed by the production eff

Indeed there is such a number, but I've never seen it actually work. Besides, how would it be calculated? Would you have to cover all the sea zones than can be reaced from that province, or just the one it borders itself?

 

[Lotus Lo]

dunno, i would imagine that its the adjacent sea zone.... maybe certain percentage per ship? dunno, but sounds like something to test out... i'll try it out sometime

 

[Memnon]

dunno, i would imagine that its the adjacent sea zone.... maybe certain percentage per ship? dunno, but sounds like something to test out... i'll try it out sometime

We'll try it in our MP game. I'll blockade...India, and we'll find out if any resources move.

 

[unmerged(7458)]

Except that they still take manpower, unfortunately. Though it doesn't appear in the cost of the ship, it still requires it, IIRC.

Ooohh! Do you have the manpower costs for the various ship types handy?

Actually, it is realistic for ships to cost manpower. After all, each dreadnought had a crew of over 1,000, plus additional support people ashore.

Thanks for the tip,

Stilicho

 

[Memnon]

Ooohh! Do you have the manpower costs for the various ship types handy?

Actually, it is realistic for ships to cost manpower. After all, each dreadnought had a crew of over 1,000, plus additional support people ashore.

Thanks for the tip,

Stilicho

I don't know them, sorry. But I think Darkrenown might. He's the one who told me about the hole in the first place.

 

[Darkrenown]

I havn't looked at how much MP ships take up, just that they do. It is more than the 1 MP a 1000 man crew would require though.

 

[november]

While there may be some nations for whom building a navy is unimportant, I'd wager they're a tiny minority.

Reflect on this for a moment: if you go to war with a nation that has a coastline or colonies with coastlines and your fleet is better, you automatically tip the strategic scales in your favor. Where will you land your troops? Your enemy must prepare for the eventuality.