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I'm pretty sure its threat & relation based - so really dependent on whether you annex that blue chinese country whose name I have no chance of remembering off hand
annex that and I think it fires in early 1940, otherwise early 1941 based on my own games (from memory)
annex that and I think it fires in early 1940, otherwise early 1941 based on my own games (from memory)
It is threat/relation based, i was just wondering at what point. The nation you are referring to is Guangxi Clique.
In my experience the US embargo on the axis, not just Japan, appears to be a scripted event not based on threat/relation. Just as the "infamy" event is scripted and not based on the reality of your game. In my current game the "infamy" event fired even though Japan did not attack the US, in fact not one single Japanese ship was anywhere near pearl or the US coast.
I believe that these scripts are threat/relation based having played it out numerous times, i just haven't pinpointed the exact time it fires. For example if your Japan, and continue conquering Chinese nations at some point the US will embargo you. Now the embargo may come eventually with war and what not, but im specifically referring to actions prior to all out war.
Edit: Current game, all was fine even after Germany took Poland. A month later i took Communist China and the embargo came. I was checking the numbers, it must have been enough to get my threat just across the threshold.
Edit: Current game, all was fine even after Germany took Poland. A month later i took Communist China and the embargo came. I was checking the numbers, it must have been enough to get my threat just across the threshold.
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While I am happy to be corrected I think you will find that threat/relation is not the trigger factor. In my last game playing as Germany, my relations with the US was around the 150 mark and Japan was their highest threat at around 40 something. Yet in march 41 the embargo event fired against Japan and the axis even though I had not invited Japan to join. Anybody else had this happen?
Believe it or not your relations isn't really that much of a factor in regards to threat, or at least not a major factor. Often your best trading partner may be the nation whose threat is the highest with you (Germany-Soviets, Japan-USA etc...). Its not relation/threat, but neutrality/threat that is the key.
Historically, Soviet trains were actually delivering resources to Germany on June 22, 1941, when Barbarossa was launched.
Hell for 3 days after the invasion Stalin was still in a semi-coma out of dis-belief, the Soviet Hierarchy was in chaos and there was fear of a coup, and yes the trains kept a rolling...
Not true. Historic records show, that Stalin was extremely busy in those 3 days taking visitors in his office.
Thanks for clearing that up. The US actually offered me a metal trade the day before the embargo!!!!!. I have just started an experimental game as Japan. Will not DOW anybody and try and be as non threating and as nice as possible to the US and see what happens. Will speed through to October 41 and give you updates. tones
Ive never ever heard or read that. Everything ive come across stated just the opposite. Anymore details on what was going on?
And if thats the case then it reflects even more poorly on Soviet Leadership how they performed initially...
USA Embargoed me (as Japan) just the other month (didn't notice exactly) but it's only Nov 1939 in my game.
But I attacked France and Britain early in 1939 (Sick of waiting for those Germans to pull the trigger) and now own most of SE Asia, so yes, it's definitely not a fixed date, and much more likely due to the threat I pose.
But I attacked France and Britain early in 1939 (Sick of waiting for those Germans to pull the trigger) and now own most of SE Asia, so yes, it's definitely not a fixed date, and much more likely due to the threat I pose.
It is, players have played games where they dont go to war or build units and can hold off war almost forever if i read correctly.
The records are Stalin's visitor logs. And France did much worse, remind you.
And this is much off topic.
I know its OT but its my thread
France's Military Leadership is a well known issue, im more interested in the Stalin info. Are you going just by the fact that records show he had visitors? or is there more? That much is pretty well known, Ive seen that...but everything else ive ever watched or read indicated he was so caught by surprise that he refused to believe the reports even after 3-4 days. That alone is a whole other avenue (how they could have been caught unprepared...). Anyway i was just wondering if you read any actual details or saw film that indicated otherwise.
Of course like true Politicians Chamberlain and Stalin both spun things in their favor when it was over (they gave their nations more time to prepare yada yada yada...)
France's Military Leadership is a well known issue, im more interested in the Stalin info. Are you going just by the fact that records show he had visitors? or is there more? That much is pretty well known, Ive seen that...but everything else ive ever watched or read indicated he was so caught by surprise that he refused to believe the reports even after 3-4 days. That alone is a whole other avenue (how they could have been caught unprepared...). Anyway i was just wondering if you read any actual details or saw film that indicated otherwise.
Of course like true Politicians Chamberlain and Stalin both spun things in their favor when it was over (they gave their nations more time to prepare yada yada yada...)
Well, my exp. Japan game was a big surprise. the "embargo" event fired just after Germany invaded the low countries, but only for the axis. the "infamy" event fired in Oct. 41 for both the axis AND me!!!!!, no idea why as my threat/neutrality was very low, anybody else had this happen?. Off topic, Stalin knew about the German plans from his spy in Japan but the general consensus is that he thought it was false and part of a coup plot so he refused to believe it and spent several days with his most trusted people ready to launch a counter coup tones
tonesStalin knew that Germany would attack. He just did not know when.
"Everyone knows" is not proof. In 1400's everyone knew the world was flat. That did not make it true. The one who spread rumors about cowardly Stalin was Khruschev, who tried to raise his own popularity by demeaning the leader that came before him. There are memoirs (in Russian) from people who worked with Stalin during the initial days of GPW - and they don't reflect your thinking.
In August 1939, SU was already fighting an undeclared war with Japan. Signing the Pact with Germany led to the downfall of the Northern (USSR invasion) group in Japan, and rise of Southern (USA and European colonies in Asia invasion) group, preventing SU from fighting a 2-front war.
"Everyone knows" is not proof. In 1400's everyone knew the world was flat. That did not make it true. The one who spread rumors about cowardly Stalin was Khruschev, who tried to raise his own popularity by demeaning the leader that came before him. There are memoirs (in Russian) from people who worked with Stalin during the initial days of GPW - and they don't reflect your thinking.
In August 1939, SU was already fighting an undeclared war with Japan. Signing the Pact with Germany led to the downfall of the Northern (USSR invasion) group in Japan, and rise of Southern (USA and European colonies in Asia invasion) group, preventing SU from fighting a 2-front war.
Interesting but it is an accepted fact of history that the Russian spy, can't remember his name, passed the entire German plan to Stalin including the date of the attack. When I say general consensus I am using well know and respected historians as the source for this comment not some ignorant peasants or churchmen. As you say yourself no Russian sources from that era can be trusted. tones
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Forget who said what, you can take alot of it with a grain of salt (especially any soviet memoirs which often conflict with details the rest of the world accepts as fact, im not saying here, just in general im iffy on anything coming from those types of sources)..
"EVERYONE" in the world knew Germany was going to invade because of the thousands of violations of Soviet Air space and the massive troop build up on its borders. Thats what i was referring to. So if we are going to believe that the Soviets knew about the invasion and were preparing for it, then why was their airforce obliterated on the ground?
"EVERYONE" in the world knew Germany was going to invade because of the thousands of violations of Soviet Air space and the massive troop build up on its borders. Thats what i was referring to. So if we are going to believe that the Soviets knew about the invasion and were preparing for it, then why was their airforce obliterated on the ground?