When did the USA invade a colonial possession of Napoleonic France? :unsure:
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The per-eminent Super Power he's referring to is Great Britain. XD (The colonial possessions being Upper and Lower Canada during the 'War' of 1812.)
Either way, propaganda is propaganda... Not much I can do about it other than shake my head.
Yes, I gathered that. It's just that Britain in 1812 was fighting for her life against France, a country which was only eventually defeated by Britain, Austria, Russia, Prussia, Spain, Sweden and the Netherlands all ganging up on her at once - so calling Britain rather than France "the pre-eminent Super Power" of the age seems a little peculiar.
I think Americans like to pretend Britain in 1776-1812 was already the superpower she would become in Victoria's reign, because it makes them feel more special.
(It was, of course, exactly the fact that France lost the Napoleonic Wars that allowed Britain to go on to become the pre-eminent superpower of the 19th century: but that was only after 1815.)
I don't know... France was more powerful in Europe, certainly, but France's power didn't really extend much further than that. Britain had a high degree of global power and influence. In much the same way that Britain was objectively much more powerful than Germany in WW1, but Germany still was able to project force better in Europe for much of the war.
Yes, I gathered that. It's just that Britain in 1812 was fighting for her life against France, a country which was only eventually defeated by Britain, Austria, Russia, Prussia, Spain, Sweden and the Netherlands all ganging up on her at once - so calling Britain rather than France "the pre-eminent Super Power" of the age seems a little peculiar.
I think Americans like to pretend Britain in 1776-1812 was already the superpower she would become in Victoria's reign, because it makes them feel more special.
(It was, of course, exactly the fact that France lost the Napoleonic Wars that allowed Britain to go on to become the pre-eminent superpower of the 19th century: but that was only after 1815.)
If Britain isn't the pre-eminant power in 1814 and 1815 (the two years that America had some solid victories), who is? We also had several naval victories over the British, which is impressive in any time frame.
Yes, I gathered that. It's just that Britain in 1812 was fighting for her life against France, a country which was only eventually defeated by Britain, Austria, Russia, Prussia, Spain, Sweden and the Netherlands all ganging up on her at once - so calling Britain rather than France "the pre-eminent Super Power" of the age seems a little peculiar.
I think Americans like to pretend Britain in 1776-1812 was already the superpower she would become in Victoria's reign, because it makes them feel more special.
(It was, of course, exactly the fact that France lost the Napoleonic Wars that allowed Britain to go on to become the pre-eminent superpower of the 19th century: but that was only after 1815.)
Aye, that's why England still had the largest Empire in the world and had an unassailable position protected by the largest and best trained fleet in the world, and if it had a small army, it was still quite professional and excellent...all before the final defeat of Napoleon.
Though, I think we like the fact that we butchered Pakenham and Wellington's Peninsula Veterans that gave the French so much trouble at New Orleans.
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Honestly, I think that's probably the most remembered thing about the war here. Or at least to me; since I first heard about the war of 1812 from that song when I was a little boy.
Edit: I think it would be cool if someone can mod 1812 into the game and shrink the scale a bit. Ugh, can't wait until tomorrow and I can DL and play the game!
Ha, and I'm pleasantly surprised that they have Thomas Jefferson and James Madison portraits. Nice. I wonder if federalist/anti-federalist political dispute in the US will be represented somehow.
Only if they ever include the US in any way. Maybe there could be a special event chain that would allow token US forces to join in the fight in Europe? I didn't think it was feasible at all in this timeframe, but I could be wrong.
Edit: And as for Britain being the superpower of the world... There were two superpowers, Britain was the "World" Superpower, in that, they projected their strength all through the world. Meanwhile, France was the "European" Power, in that it dominated in Europe, but not much elsewhere in this timeframe. So while the "war" of 1812 was really kind of sad, it was still impressive the few victories that Americans won. Though, everyone knows that the real reason we fought that war was cause we couldn't think of a national anthem, and wanted inspiration. :happy:
Edit: And as for Britain being the superpower of the world... There were two superpowers, Britain was the "World" Superpower, in that, they projected their strength all through the world. Meanwhile, France was the "European" Power, in that it dominated in Europe, but not much elsewhere in this timeframe. So while the "war" of 1812 was really kind of sad, it was still impressive the few victories that Americans won. Though, everyone knows that the real reason we fought that war was cause we couldn't think of a national anthem, and wanted inspiration. :happy:
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Perhaps if America occupies several of the major Canadian cities and completes the Louisiana Purchase, effectively winning in that theater, they receive an event of Napoleon asking for assistance in Europe or something, allowing them to move their armies and navy's from the American theater to the European one. Britain would have a similiar event if they manage to knock France out of Dominance, in which Parliament feels that the threat to the home islands is low enough to allow transfer of troops from Europe to America. It would allow people to play as America or Canada without having to worry about Europe if they don't want, and keep Britain from just landing stack after stack in Boston after the USA launches the war.
Is it me or nobody realizes how a trememendous amount of work adding north America would require for a game that only has mechanics for european warfare?
How would it simulate the tiny armies fighting in North america or the AI having to control two fronts at once. It has issues controlling one in Europe.The brits would get utterly demolished by the americans who would then have nothing else to do.
This game isnt about managing an economy and politics like other Paradox games. It's solely about warfare and getting more cash to wage it. Why is it that americans are so turned on by getting this war included when it was of so little importance to the napoleonic wars? Yes it diverted troops but the parliament that detested Wellington was already trying not to give him too many soldiers anyway. The fact of the matter is, aside from the logging that supplied the british navy since the continental blockade, it isnt of dire important to the game.
They should address quite a few more things before they go off trying to include colonies in which only Britain can get involved. This game shouldnt try to be a massive blowjob to americans, canadians and brits while neglecting most of europe when its meant to be about the napoleonic wars of which the war of 1812 isnt part of since there is Napoleon involved. Not to mention they'd have to rebalance the economy for Britain alone because it'd be way too easy to allow them to make cash from colonies. There is no trading system to blockade or to starve them to death, they make cash solely from improving their lands and certainly dont need more money atm.
How would it simulate the tiny armies fighting in North america or the AI having to control two fronts at once. It has issues controlling one in Europe.The brits would get utterly demolished by the americans who would then have nothing else to do.
This game isnt about managing an economy and politics like other Paradox games. It's solely about warfare and getting more cash to wage it. Why is it that americans are so turned on by getting this war included when it was of so little importance to the napoleonic wars? Yes it diverted troops but the parliament that detested Wellington was already trying not to give him too many soldiers anyway. The fact of the matter is, aside from the logging that supplied the british navy since the continental blockade, it isnt of dire important to the game.
They should address quite a few more things before they go off trying to include colonies in which only Britain can get involved. This game shouldnt try to be a massive blowjob to americans, canadians and brits while neglecting most of europe when its meant to be about the napoleonic wars of which the war of 1812 isnt part of since there is Napoleon involved. Not to mention they'd have to rebalance the economy for Britain alone because it'd be way too easy to allow them to make cash from colonies. There is no trading system to blockade or to starve them to death, they make cash solely from improving their lands and certainly dont need more money atm.
Do you have a link to this March of Eagles mod forum? Am I just blind or is it not stickied on the main forum page?
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Maybe you are blind, for for your sake, here. http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?778-MotE-User-Modifications
Facepalm...Cheers dude, an eye test really does sound like a good investment...
Edit: Figured out that I had to login to the site to see it, I guess I'm used to being spoiled by the Crusader Kings 2 forum
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