usa and slavery

[masochist]

how do you convert the usa's slaves into labourers/farmers. ive fought and won the american civil war and nothing has happened.

is this covered by an event or do i have to do it manually? if the latter, then how?

 

[unmerged(16896)]

You probably won the Civil War very quickly which means some events did not trigger that lead to the Reconstruction event (which abolishes slavery).

The same thing happened in my current game. I edited the event trigger (after making a backup USA event file) for the Reconstruction event. After deleting most of the triggers I used F12 to bring about the event.

 

[unmerged(21796)]

if you win the war before lincon is killed the event wont fire... strange thing it is...

 

[masochist]

thanks a lot.

The same thing happened in my current game. I edited the event trigger (after making a backup USA event file) for the Reconstruction event. After deleting most of the triggers I used F12 to bring about the event.

looks like that is the best solution then.

 

[Darkrenown]

Open victoria\db\events\USA.txt, hit ctrl+f to open the search funtion and search for "14182", you will then see this:

#########################################################################
#  Reconstruction
#########################################################################
event = {
	id = 14182
	random = no
	country = USA

	trigger = {
		event = 14181
		NOT = {
			exists = CSA
		}
		OR = {
			won_war = { country = USA country = CSA }
			won_war = { country = CSA country = USA }
		}
	}

Delete the line "event = 14181" and bob's your uncle.

 

[masochist]

thanks alot.

 

[Ex Mudder]

Open victoria\db\events\USA.txt, hit ctrl+f to open the search funtion and search for "14182", you will then see this:

<snip>
Delete the line "event = 14181" and bob's your uncle.

Certainly Bjorn Stronginthearm is my uncle?

 

[unmerged(29181)]

Delete the line "event = 14181" and bob's your uncle.

Cool. I'll have to do that.

And, what's frightening is that I DO have an uncle named Robert (Bob)...

 

[mostly_harmless]

Is it ok to alter this event though? In other words is this working as designed or not, are the programmers hypothesising that slavery would not have been abolished in the USA had the civil war ended quickly (not at this point in history anyway).

 

[unmerged(29181)]

Is it ok to alter this event though? In other words is this working as designed or not, are the programmers hypothesising that slavery would not have been abolished in the USA had the civil war ended quickly (not at this point in history anyway).

My thoughts are this: It's a game. And since it's a game, historical accuracy must take a backseat to having fun.

 

[Darkrenown]

Certainly Bjorn Stronginthearm is my uncle?

Bloody literal minded dwarfs

 

[Darkrenown]

Is it ok to alter this event though? In other words is this working as designed or not, are the programmers hypothesising that slavery would not have been abolished in the USA had the civil war ended quickly (not at this point in history anyway).

The thing is, this is the ONLY chance the USA gets to end slavery. Even the CSA (if it's still around) can free the slaves in the 1880's. I could certainly see slaverly being less of an issue of the CW is a cakewalk, but then you'd need an event to free the slaves in the USA later, so I think this is just an oversite.

 

[Raph]

I'm pretty sure that that's not the programmers believing that slavery would never end in the US if the civil war ended quickly... that's just crazy.

 

[mostly_harmless]

I'm pretty sure that that's not the programmers believing that slavery would never end in the US if the civil war ended quickly... that's just crazy.

Yes but perhaps they intended for slavery to end later if the civil war ended quickly and just never put the later event in, just a thought.

 

[Waffen9999]

Yes but perhaps they intended for slavery to end later if the civil war ended quickly and just never put the later event in, just a thought.

Not necassarily depending on how you look at it. I mean if you beat the South very quickly before the emancipation procolamation occurred, there'd be no reason for the North to release the slaves. It's not as if the war was entirely fought over the issue. So if you think about it it makes sense.

 

[unmerged(29181)]

Not necassarily depending on how you look at it. I mean if you beat the South very quickly before the emancipation procolamation occurred, there'd be no reason for the North to release the slaves. It's not as if the war was entirely fought over the issue. So if you think about it it makes sense.

But, without the Southern Politicians in the senate (after the war, the southern politicians were selected by the north (they had to take loyalty oaths and whatnot)) the more Liberal Northern politicians would most likely have ended it anyway- anything to stick it to the south.

 

[unmerged(30240)]

if you win the war before lincon is killed the event wont fire... strange thing it is...

In my game, Lincoln was assassinated. Then a month later, he sat in Jefferson Davis' chair.

Afterwards, I conquered Atlanta after surrounding the city for 4 years thus defeating the CSA. Still, the event did not trigger.

 

[Darkrenown]

Yes but perhaps they intended for slavery to end later if the civil war ended quickly and just never put the later event in, just a thought.

But in that case it's STILL an oversite and the event STILL needs fixed. The programmers and betas miss stuff sometimes, it's not their fault, it's a huge game. Another example would be the popular unification of germany, which was impossible to trigger untill I changed the event.

 

[Aragos]

Luckily, we fixed this in VIP. As it is now, three things have to happen to have Reconstruction:
1) Republicans win 1864 election
2) Lincoln dies
3) Civil War ends

In VIP, we changed the way Reconstruction occurs. Contrary to popular conceptions, Reconstruction started in late 1862/early 1863 and continued until 1876. The actual end of the war had little to do with it, other than the spread of Reconstruction policies to areas of the South previous unoccupied (most of Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolinas). In VIP, the Emancipation Proclimation (1862) can trigger Reconstruction (by player choice). In addition, we are working on events that will end slavery by 1881 if there is no ACW--but at a major cost in money and population stability.