Playing Japan 1.06 n/n. Japan has taken china and siam. It has declared war on Britian and is trying to take india, indo-china. Vichy hasn't fired yet and then ... US joins the allies and dow. Isn't this a bit premature? I thought I would have had more time to 'play' before the US steps in? Is the US dow a random thing and is a result of bad luck, or is something that I have done to incur their wrath?
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Well declaring war on Britain probably freakin' incurred their wrath!!!!
No question DoWing Britain and attacking India probably put US WE through the roof...
No question DoWing Britain and attacking India probably put US WE through the roof...
Soapy Frog said:
Really? US war entry is tied to japan taking parts of india? So is it better for Japan to attack the dutch east indies then? instead of india?
Not specifically, but US war entry is tied to how well Japan, among other nations, does.
Anyway if you think about it, historically had Japan declared war on Britain and started expanding, the US would have DoWed shortly thereafter.
Anyway if you think about it, historically had Japan declared war on Britain and started expanding, the US would have DoWed shortly thereafter.
Japan WAR Allies -> US WE +++
So to speak, if you are interested in Dutch Indies/India it is a good idea to prepare for a war with the US (maybe a preemptive strike ?..)
So to speak, if you are interested in Dutch Indies/India it is a good idea to prepare for a war with the US (maybe a preemptive strike ?..)
The US war entry is inverse to the Victory points owned by the Allies+Comitern and directly proportional to the Victory points owned by Germany+Italy+Japan+other axis members. The higher the first the lower the WE will be and the higher the second ones, the higher the WE will be.
Some examples:
As Russia, after annexing Germany in late 42, the US war entry never passed 50% (1.06)
Also, as Germany I refused Vichy (this also raises their WE) and after taking over London in mid 40' they dowed me (1.06)
Probably the best way to keep the US out the allies is by joining them. Then, you could invade Russia and considering that their victory points decrease but that the allies's vp raises, you could fight a war against the SU and keep the US a side.
Some examples:
As Russia, after annexing Germany in late 42, the US war entry never passed 50% (1.06)
Also, as Germany I refused Vichy (this also raises their WE) and after taking over London in mid 40' they dowed me (1.06)
Probably the best way to keep the US out the allies is by joining them. Then, you could invade Russia and considering that their victory points decrease but that the allies's vp raises, you could fight a war against the SU and keep the US a side.
I had the same problem - annexed China, attacked the Allies while Germany was fooling around in France, and weee USA DoW. Its an interesting game - I feel like its 1943 while its actually 1940, as the US invades random pacific islands and Britain is launching large counteroffensives in India. My next japanese game I will be sure to actually be prepared rather than assume the Allies will focus on Germany first 
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Dunno how it is in SP (any special AI events?), but if you want US WE entry to drop in MP, as Japan conquer India and everything you can. This makes US WE entry drop every time you conquer a VP province. This means that you have to calculate and edit the US WE entry continuously to have a good MP game :wacko:
AI events indeedboromir said:
. Japan occupying some provinces in Indonesia/India/Australia/NZ etc -> WE++, Japan annex China ->WE ++
I dunno, in our latest MP game, Japan DoWing UK and capturing Calcutta, NZ, NEI etc was enough to push the US into the war in early 1940...
Funny in my current CORE game I have the opposite problem.
Its April 1942, I am Japan and part of the Axis. Only Britain and Canada remain as Allies and Britain both hold onto their mainland only (even Belfast has fallen to Italy!). As Japan I have annexed, puppeted or occupied China, Sianking, Siam, Holland (with German help), Belgium (with German help), South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, India, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and I also have Gibraltar.
The Soviet Union is all but completely collapsed, they have 200 divisions left but have lost Leningrad, Moscow, Stalingrad from their western front and Vladisvostok and Irkutsk from their Eastern front.
The USA have had a war entry of 100% for at least 12 months, but nothing. I do not want to DoW them as it would be far too gamey - I have nothing to gain from it other than the challenge of defeating them (I think along the lines of war being a continuation of politics - and I would have no ambitions to occupy the USA!)
I know they will enter the war when the British Isles are finally taken, but by then I think it will be too late for them to have any real impact at all on the Axis.
Its April 1942, I am Japan and part of the Axis. Only Britain and Canada remain as Allies and Britain both hold onto their mainland only (even Belfast has fallen to Italy!). As Japan I have annexed, puppeted or occupied China, Sianking, Siam, Holland (with German help), Belgium (with German help), South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, India, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and I also have Gibraltar.
The Soviet Union is all but completely collapsed, they have 200 divisions left but have lost Leningrad, Moscow, Stalingrad from their western front and Vladisvostok and Irkutsk from their Eastern front.
The USA have had a war entry of 100% for at least 12 months, but nothing. I do not want to DoW them as it would be far too gamey - I have nothing to gain from it other than the challenge of defeating them (I think along the lines of war being a continuation of politics - and I would have no ambitions to occupy the USA!)
I know they will enter the war when the British Isles are finally taken, but by then I think it will be too late for them to have any real impact at all on the Axis.
Hmm, further thoughts . . .
The funny thing is I have actually played through a game as Germany where I achieved a total Axis victory in 1943. Again this was because the USA just never entered the war. In that game too I remember the USA simply had a war entry of 100% for a long time.
There is a hardcoded USA DoW via an event when the British Home Isles are occupied, but only if Britain is not actually annexed. I unintentionally avoided this by annexing them within hours of siezing the last remaining Brit mainland VP province.
I wonder if there is something built into their AI, that actually prevents or makes unlikely war entry if the Allies are actually doing particularly poorly? (at one point in the game above the allies consisted entirely of Oman)
Boromir's post above makes me think this might be the case, as I typically occupy all of India by 41' at the lastest. Perhaps securing certain key provinces prevents a US DoW regardless of what their war entry is.
The funny thing is I have actually played through a game as Germany where I achieved a total Axis victory in 1943. Again this was because the USA just never entered the war. In that game too I remember the USA simply had a war entry of 100% for a long time.
There is a hardcoded USA DoW via an event when the British Home Isles are occupied, but only if Britain is not actually annexed. I unintentionally avoided this by annexing them within hours of siezing the last remaining Brit mainland VP province.
I wonder if there is something built into their AI, that actually prevents or makes unlikely war entry if the Allies are actually doing particularly poorly? (at one point in the game above the allies consisted entirely of Oman)
Boromir's post above makes me think this might be the case, as I typically occupy all of India by 41' at the lastest. Perhaps securing certain key provinces prevents a US DoW regardless of what their war entry is.
In my last few games as the USA, I have concentrated on trying to keep my WE high. In almost every game, I was offered to join the Allies in early 1940. Nothing unhistorical had occurred. Prior to the fall of France and the Vichy event, I had the USA at 100% WE. This seems wrong to my way of thinking. The USA got a huge boost to the WE while France was being overrun. It most games, it is enough to allow them entry into the war. It is way too soon for the Axis to be fighting them.
Does the USA WE increase with any Fascist type of government expanding its territory? I believe this is the way it is. As Japan, joining the Allies might be the way to go. I feel that the way to correct this problem would be to lower the initial USA WE at the start of the game. Anyone else think this is the way to go?
Does the USA WE increase with any Fascist type of government expanding its territory? I believe this is the way it is. As Japan, joining the Allies might be the way to go. I feel that the way to correct this problem would be to lower the initial USA WE at the start of the game. Anyone else think this is the way to go?
Tamerlan said:AI events indeed
So does US WE stay down if you don't annex china?
<<Its April 1942, I am Japan and part of the Axis. Only Britain and Canada remain as Allies and Britain both hold onto their mainland only (even Belfast has fallen to Italy!).>>
What a stroke of genius! ! ! Italy attacks Ireland or at least N. Ireland. Hummm I never thought of such a thing. What a very nice and sneaky way to get to the doorstep of the UK.
What a stroke of genius! ! ! Italy attacks Ireland or at least N. Ireland. Hummm I never thought of such a thing. What a very nice and sneaky way to get to the doorstep of the UK.
I actually like the idea of the AI declaring war in a more unpredictable manner. In real life, they didn't know "1941" was when they had to have their military ready, unlike us who figure, nobody will attack us till then so lets not build any military units and instead throw everything into research
Soapy Frog said:
In our last MP game Japan was in the Axis when it did its conquering. This caused the US WE to go down rather than up. Maybe it works correctly only when they are fighting alone?
boromir said:
Reloading from a saved game I closely monitored the US WE this time. It reached 100% shortly before the vichy event fired. After the vichy event, the US WE dropped again. So there must be a random chance of DOW when the WE is at 100%?