Urgent Fix required - Carriers!

[Amatiel]

PLEASE make naval (hence the game) playable again by:

- Stopping carriers from replenishing planes during combat
- Addressing the wing size exploit
- Making fighters perform significantly more effectively in air to air combat than naval bombers (so it makes sense to use a mix of both).

Until at least this is done, I see no point in playing MP at all. Which for me means no point playing at all. A follow up naval air combat mechanics overhaul will probably be needed to fix the issue entirely further down the track.

Please refer to Sterrius' thread linked below for the specifics.

I must say i'm surprised he didn't warrant a response from Paradox. Something like "OK thanks we are on it and we can see it's of fairly high priority" would suffice. This guy puts in the free beta testing for you and from the looks of it, invests a very significant amount of time into doing so. Don't insult him and us by not responding. From the amount of free work he puts in for you, it really rather sets him apart from the average joe making a suggestion.

If you don't want to take the time to do that, thats ok. Then I know not to spend money on Paradox anymore or consider/recommend others to do your freakin BETA testing for you.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...riers-broken-and-other-naval-problems.970845/

 

[Alex_brunius]

PLEASE read the guidelines for bugreporting

Sterrius already made a bug report (which also doesn't follow the guidelines for how to report bugs, but is a bit better since it at least have savegame and screenshots). There is no use spamming the forum with more reports just linking to his report.

I'm certain Paradox has a report of this in their system since the bug with CV reinforcing in combat has been present since release according to Sterrius.

 

[DominusNovus]

Also, a bug report is not exactly a place for venting about personal frustration with the game (I don't see any reason to play, etc).

 

[Amatiel]

Im aware of the guidelines. I kept it succinct, to the point and self explanatory. I agree, they probably already know about this issue.

What im seeking is some feedback and Communication.

Its not ok to ask people to BETA test your freakin game and not reciprocate by replying to threads such as Sterrius' which go above and beyond the norm for doing their job for them. At least let us know if it is being addressed or not ffs.

Honesty is good, don't over-complicate or over-politicize it, just say it how it is, tell us what you are doing.

 

[Alex_brunius]

Paradox devs can't personally read through all the thousands of bug reports or forum threads and respond to each and everyone of them. If they did there would be no time for them to make a game. And podcat did respond as recently as yesterday to point 2 about the size of wings in another thread, and confirmed it's in their system today.

anyways, it will be looked into, sorry that we missed communicating

As well as clarified that the bug is reported today:

Thanks, but we do have this particular one reported now

 

[Amatiel]

Paradox devs can't personally read through all the thousands of bug reports or forum threads and respond to each and everyone of them. If they did there would be no time for them to make a game. And podcat did respond as recently as yesterday to point 2 about the size of wings, and confirm it's in their system.

Again, Im ok with them asking us to BETA test their game.

But they need to reciprocate. Sounds like they need more staff or to approve a bit more overtime with the game in the state it is.

There isnt THOUSANDS of bug reports being posted here. Maybe 50 a week just by looking at the first page of the bug report forum and checking the dates, only some of those are worthy of a reply. So dont straw-man me, im not asking them to read through and reply to every post on the forum. If you are gonna white knight for them at least learn what a fallacious argument is first.

If they can find time like they found to feed the circle jerk that was the English language flag, they can find time to reply to the legitimate bug reports that have been posted here at significant effort by their customers. Or maybe they need to reevaluate their prioritisation.

 

[Alex_brunius]

Again, Im ok with them asking us to BETA test their game.

Game ended beta when it was released the 6:th of June this year, so you, I or Sterrius don't have to beta test it fortunately. But I am sure that they are thankful for all users who do test the release version of the game and do somewhat proper reports like me and Sterrius.

There isnt THOUSANDS of bug reports being posted here.

How lucky we are that the forum counts for us so you don't have too...

1817, and that's including spam like your thread they have to sift through, or without counting threads like Sterrius one with multiple bugs reported. There are also bound to be bugs reported on steam, reddit and sent in via mail too by users that did not register their game on the forums and don't have access here.

That's without knowing how many bugs they have internally to keep track of...

 

[Amatiel]

Game ended beta when it was released the 6:th of June this year, so you, I or Sterrius don't have to beta test it fortunately. But I am sure that they are thankful for all users who do test the release version of the game and do somewhat proper reports like me and Sterrius.



How lucky we are that the forum counts for us so you don't have too...

1817, and that's including spam like your thread they have to sift through, or without counting threads like Sterrius one with multiple bugs reported. There are also bound to be bugs reported on steam, reddit and sent in via mail too by users that did not register their game on the forums and don't have access here.

That's without knowing how many bugs they have internally to keep track of...

Oh its not in beta? If it looks like duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck. 1817 forum posted bugs sounds like a BETA to me.

Thats 1817 bug reports from release which equals 15 bug thread posts a day. Sifting out the easy stuff which doesn't require a reply reduces that number further. This is the job of one person - a side job, not their main job.

Im done with you, you persist with straw man arguments, so there's no point in me communicating with you further.

 

[DominusNovus]

Again, Im ok with them asking us to BETA test their game.

But they need to reciprocate. Sounds like they need more staff or to approve a bit more overtime with the game in the state it is.

There isnt THOUSANDS of bug reports being posted here. Maybe 50 a week just by looking at the first page of the bug report forum and checking the dates, only some of those are worthy of a reply. So dont straw-man me, im not asking them to read through and reply to every post on the forum. If you are gonna white knight for them at least learn what a fallacious argument is first.

If they can find time like they found to feed the circle jerk that was the English language flag, they can find time to reply to the legitimate bug reports that have been posted here at significant effort by their customers. Or maybe they need to reevaluate their prioritisation.

Oh its not in beta? If it looks like duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck. 1817 forum posted bugs sounds like a BETA to me.

Thats 1817 bug reports from release which equals 15 bug thread posts a day. Sifting out the easy stuff which doesn't require a reply reduces that number further. This is the job of one person - a side job, not their main job.

Im done with you, you persist with straw man arguments, so there's no point in me communicating with you further.

Either there are so few bugs that they should be able to respond to them all, or there are so many that the game's broken. You can't have it both ways.

Again, the bug report subforum is not the place to vent about your concerns about the direction of the game. Its the place to report bugs. Plain and simple. There's plenty of threads in the main HOI4 forum to vent about your concerns.

 

[Amatiel]

Either there are so few bugs that they should be able to respond to them all, or there are so many that the game's broken. You can't have it both ways.

Again, the bug report subforum is not the place to vent about your concerns about the direction of the game. Its the place to report bugs. Plain and simple. There's plenty of threads in the main HOI4 forum to vent about your concerns.

Having trouble with the math?

15 Bug reports a day is manageable for a single person to sort through and actually respond to the really bad ones at the end of his/her workday.

15 bug reports a day for 124 days straight means you are still in beta.

I reported a fkn bug, was the first thing I did. If anything you are shitting up my bug report thread by complaining about the way I coupled my bug report with a request for Paradox to reciprocate.

The white knights in this forum are fkn unbelieveable. Do you also go to walmart and stand by the returns desk interrogating people as to whether they used a faulty product as intended? Boy I hope they give you a sticker for that.

 

[Alex_brunius]

I reported a fkn bug, was the first thing I did.

No you didn't. You spammed the forum with a link to someone else who reported 3 different bugs in 1 thread.

 

[DominusNovus]

Having trouble with the math?

15 Bug reports a day is manageable for a single person to sort through and actually respond to the really bad ones at the end of his/her workday.

15 bug reports a day for 124 days straight means you are still in beta.

I reported a fkn bug, was the first thing I did. If anything you are shitting up my bug report thread by complaining about the way I coupled my bug report with a request for Paradox to reciprocate.

The white knights in this forum are fkn unbelieveable. Do you also go to walmart and stand by the returns desk interrogating people as to whether they used a faulty product as intended? Boy I hope they give you a sticker for that.

Trust me, I give Paradox my fair share of criticism. My point is that the bug report sub forum is not the place to do it. I already said that. I'm telling you this because they're not likely to take kindly to the venting on this subforum, and they control the rules for the forums. Just trying to help you out, so that you don't get in trouble.