I have pre-sentient species in my empire, I placed outpost on their system. Says I can't uplift them because they are not on an owned world. Is this new? Do I need to colonize the world to uplift them?
Uplift - need to colonize world with them or bug?
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Yes, you need to colonize to uplift. Use Observation post to enlighten species above stone age.
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I did this the other night version 1.4.X requires you to have colonized the planet in order to uplift a species
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It's not a change. It has always been that way for uplifting. Enlightening only requires it to be within your borders to create an observation post.
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No, it is a change. Before 1.4. the planet with the pre-sientient species only needed to lie within your borders.
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I could have sworn the only way I could uplift the roaches was to go into the species screen and uplift from there?
I'm pretty sure I had to do it that way (colonize) as far back as at least 1.1. Unless they changed it in 1.2 or 1.3 then changed it back and I just missed it. i don't recall seeing anything about it in any of the patch notes, but I could have easily missed that.
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They are right. It only had to be in your borders before. This will make it harder to uplift races on planets you can't colonize.
This is definitely a change.
Back when I rewrote the Wiki part on Uplifting, it was definetly "needs to be in your borders" only.
It was explicitly not nessesary to have the planet colonised. Uplifiting the species turned thier planet into a Colony as part of the process. Wich did mean quite some work to build it up.
Somebody has since modified that page to "must be colonised", so I asume that part simply changed with 1.4.
Spiritualists are a bit penalized after the Power Exoskelletons, but that is the tradeoff they get for thier Ethics divergence. I guess.
Back when I rewrote the Wiki part on Uplifting, it was definetly "needs to be in your borders" only.
It was explicitly not nessesary to have the planet colonised. Uplifiting the species turned thier planet into a Colony as part of the process. Wich did mean quite some work to build it up.
Somebody has since modified that page to "must be colonised", so I asume that part simply changed with 1.4.
Droids
Spiritualists are a bit penalized after the Power Exoskelletons, but that is the tradeoff they get for thier Ethics divergence. I guess.
It's possible I'm remembering wrong. My memory isn't what it used to be.
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It is stated as a Bugfix in the Patchnotes of 1.4
* Uplift species button is locked if no species can be found on any owned planet
And only planets with colonies are owned.
So it seems that was how the mechanic was meant to be from the beginning.
* Uplift species button is locked if no species can be found on any owned planet
And only planets with colonies are owned.
So it seems that was how the mechanic was meant to be from the beginning.
Harder? Don't you mean impossible?
This change really sucks, Paradox. If I can't colonize the world because it's a different biome type, then what is the point of Uplift anymore? The whole purpose was to get a new species into my empire that can colonize different types of worlds for me. If I can only Uplift species in the same biome group as my original species, that doesn't grant any real benefit to researching and spending the cost/time to perform an Uplift.
You can colonize the world with an synthetic. Normally, you would then have to populate the entire would with robots but with uplifting it gives you the shortcut to colonize different biomes that you want. Unlerss you are Spiritual in which case you are screwed
Fewer primitive civilizations also make it trickier to invade a reasonably advanced one to make colonists from without waiting 100 years for stellar shock. On the upside you can now integrate enlightened species (protectorates).
The appearant design intent to slow down colonizations of different biomes is oddly at odds with the extremely adaptive trait. It really seems a bit OP for even an expensive trait to bypass all these hurdles.
You can colonize the world with an synthetic. Normally, you would then have to populate the entire would with robots but with uplifting it gives you the shortcut to colonize different biomes that you want. Unlerss you are Spiritual in which case you are screwed
Fewer primitive civilizations also make it trickier to invade a reasonably advanced one to make colonists from without waiting 100 years for stellar shock. On the upside you can now integrate enlightened species (protectorates).
The appearant design intent to slow down colonizations of different biomes is oddly at odds with the extremely adaptive trait. It really seems a bit OP for even an expensive trait to bypass all these hurdles.
I am really no fan of the less primitives changes but oh well.
Also you don't even need extremely adaptive but only adaptive together with diplomacy, makes it really easy to colonize everything.
Other than that I am still a big fan of terraforming and kinda happy that it's now more powerful than before.
You can colonize the world with an synthetic. Normally, you would then have to populate the entire would with robots but with uplifting it gives you the shortcut to colonize different biomes that you want. Unlerss you are Spiritual in which case you are screwed
Fewer primitive civilizations also make it trickier to invade a reasonably advanced one to make colonists from without waiting 100 years for stellar shock. On the upside you can now integrate enlightened species (protectorates).
The appearant design intent to slow down colonizations of different biomes is oddly at odds with the extremely adaptive trait. It really seems a bit OP for even an expensive trait to bypass all these hurdles.
I... had no idea that robots could man colony ships. =D I will have to try that. Normally I never even build robots, kind of goes against my alien-loving agenda, but if they will allow me to Uplift species from other biomes, totally worth it.
Also, I've played Extremely Adaptive in the past and yes it was awesome, but didn't Paradox nerf that trait and its weaker counterpart to half the additional Habitability increase? Like they used to be 20% and 40% respectively, and are now 10% and 20%? But yeah, combine that with Satramene Gas and XenuGel and you can literally inhabit anywhere and be moderately happy.
Why are you uplifting these tasty snacks?
Do you still get the xenophage penalty if they are pre-sentient?
Do you still get the xenophage penalty if they are pre-sentient?
You should not. Also living with Pre-Sentients is now a seperate Policy from normal Purge.
Just to avoid a mistunderstanding: Basic robots cannot. You need synthetics to make colony ship.
Droids also work unless something changed since last time I played with them.