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I believe they are trying to advocate for everyone should get those privileges, not that modders who already have these should lose them.

And loup is right in his : there seem to be arguments not only to get the same privileges but for the rules to be applied retroactively, i.e., revoke rights given earlier:

If the rules change then in my opinion they should affect all mods - old and new.
 

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The point I'm trying to make is that it has been no secret about the Facebook page, since it's been on the signature for a long time. So why is it suddenly a problem now? And why expose individual modders and team who are adhering to the rules (even if those rules are more generous than the current ones)?
Most people actually don't look at sigs, so putting something in your sig is a somewhat good place for hiding it. Just like the stickies is a good hiding place too. So for all we know the people complaining just discovered it. I don't know why individual cases are brought forth, but I would guess it is to avoid getting told that such practices don't exist; sometimes you need to have a concrete example.
 

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Most people actually don't look at sigs, so putting something in your sig is a somewhat good place for hiding it. Just like the stickies is a good hiding place too. So for all we know the people complaining just discovered it. I don't know why individual cases are brought forth, but I would guess it is to avoid getting told that such practices don't exist; sometimes you need to have a concrete example.
@delpiero1234 did not: he was thinking about it before, and had not complained which is why he made the pointing the first place, although it was @AhoyDeerrr who mentioned MEIOU & Taxes. Anyway, I agree with AKronblad: it is fair that a modder themselves use their mod/mod in which they have contributed to as an example to get something concrete in the direction, but directly criticizing, or giving compliments for that matter, others mods or specific cases ends up being counter-productive if one wants a rule change.
 

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Most people actually don't look at sigs, so putting something in your sig is a somewhat good place for hiding it. Just like the stickies is a good hiding place too. So for all we know the people complaining just discovered it. I don't know why individual cases are brought forth, but I would guess it is to avoid getting told that such practices don't exist; sometimes you need to have a concrete example.

Hiding it?

No need to publically expose individual modders or modding teams in order to present a concrete example: PM a Paradox rep with such examples. The general discussion could of course take place in a thread like this, but the last thing we need now within the modding community is disunity. Direct the energy at Paradox instead to make a change.
 

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Hiding it?
I meant that putting something there is likely to make people not see it; not that modders try to hide things. As an example then Shams used his sig after a gamescon a few years ago to pretty much "confirm" a game (think it was Rome II); I saw that sig and asked him in a PM what it was about and he said it was a troll attempt, but that I was the first who had seen it despite it having been there for 3 weeks.
 

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I meant that putting something there is likely to make people not see it; not that modders try to hide things. As an example then Shams used his sig after a gamescon a few years ago to pretty much "confirm" a game (think it was Rome II); I saw that sig and asked him in a PM what it was about and he said it was a troll attempt, but that I was the first who had seen it despite it having been there for 3 weeks.
There are different users: I read all of my MP, read all signatures and especially all stickies. I might be a bit old-fashioned when it comes to that tough. So if you want to hide something for me: don't put it in your signature or a sticky.
 

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Why pick at @gigau and team for having a facebook page that has been on his signature for a long time?
It's unfortunately something i'm now used to… although i still don't understand why.
 

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Most people actually don't look at sigs, so putting something in your sig is a somewhat good place for hiding it. Just like the stickies is a good hiding place too.
That's some crooked logic, really.

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It's unfortunately something i'm now used to… although i still don't understand why.
Might be because you are sign a public mod. But if it starts being people actually going against you it is too much. Using you as an example seems fine; pointing you out to beat you up isn't.
That's some crooked logic, really.
Didn't you read my clarification? I didn't mean hiding as in trying to hide it from the public view; I meant that many people simply don't read sigs (or stickies), meaning that if you put information there it will be read by far less people than if it was put in a post and as a non stickied thread.
And I don't think this discussion goes against what Castellon said, since this isn't pointing out people being against the rule (though it has been really borderline at times), but some people using old mods as examples of what they perceive as inconsistent rules.
 

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Well, I can fully agree that the rules are inconsistent and not well worded, that's for sure.
 
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Could we end this discussion before deteriorating too much, please?

Why pick at @gigau and team for having a facebook page that has been on his signature for a long time?
And at @Korbah for his and his team's setup, all approved by Paradox?

Please direct your energy elsewhere, e.g., Paradox who has set up the rules, and not at fellow modders.

I do not think anyone is trying to attack any other user, myself especially not. Providing examples helps a discussion to be understood by both sides, which is exactly what I was trying to do.

How many forums could you see?

Just two, one called "General" and another "Beta test" I believe were the names.
 
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I do not think anyone is trying to attack any other user, myself especially not. Providing examples helps a discussion to be understood by both sides, which is exactly what I was trying to do.

Are there really two sides here? Believe we basically all agree that we want as much freedom and privileges as possible, withing limiting the freedom granted earlier by Paradox to certain mods under other rules. Right?

So then better to direct those examples above in a PM to a Paradox rep and get clarification. Since mentioning it here when we basically all have the same view adds nothing. And avoids exposing individual innocent mods and modders.
 

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That seems like a messed up visibility status. Def not intended. @gigau, I don't have admin rights there, please check it.
Checked. There was indeed a mistake in the "read" status of the two subforums. Fixed.
 
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"2) User Mod files should be hosted on a file share site designed for use by the public (if they know the specific address) and or Steam Workshop."

I'd like some clarification on how Github is not a file share site designed for use by the public please and thank you.
 

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"2) User Mod files should be hosted on a file share site designed for use by the public (if they know the specific address) and or Steam Workshop."

I'd like some clarification on how Github is not a file share site designed for use by the public please and thank you.
From what I understand, github is allowed for hosting VCS, not the release versions.
 

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It falls in the "no wiki, no forum, no discussion" part I think.
...I'd forgotten that git repositories have a wiki automatically attached to them. That's disable-able, though, and I'd happy to turn that off if that's the issue with the AtE git link that recently was removed. Likewise, the 'report issues' bit can be disabled, if that counts as off-forums discussion. Is there anything else that makes Github a no-no? These things could all be fixed if anybody ever asked.
 
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