I was holding off a little bit later keeping up to date the the CK3 vids on youtube, by the time I went to buy it through steam it was already blocked. Feelsbadman.
Update on Australian and New Zealand pre-orders [EDIT: September 7, 2020]
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I can't swear on it, but from past posts by Paradox I got the impression that they'll provide updates ASAP once they have one they are going to share.
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Is there a method of buying CK3 in which paradox sends you a redeem code for their own launcher ? If that were purchased in the US would it work for someone in NZ to install it ? Lets say it's a gift from a brother living in the US .
I am glad I preordered before this started. I bet you anything the problem our ratings board has is because of the nudity and not the violence
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Even better, send a letter (snail mail). They get taken much more seriously. When an MP and/or minister receives a letter, the thinking is along the lines of "The person who goes to the trouble of sending real letters is almost certainly an active voter, and possibly a donor." While a person who sends an email gets thought of as "Well, this person has a computer."
They do read emails as well, but they don't have close to the same weight. I've never gotten anything more than a form response to an email, but back in Canada I got a personalized response from a minister's office, and actually got the change I asked for (admittedly a smaller change than changing or abolishing a legally enforced ratings system).
And of course always be polite.
Again disagree. Without revealing too much personal information I have worked in and around ministerial offices for years. We made no distinction between correspondence received physically or digitally. An issue such as this, while extremely important to us player of Paradox games, , will be seen as minor, handled by a junior staffer, and the best you will get is a polite form type letter saying that the policy is written with the best interests of the broader community in mind, blah blah blah.
If Paradox say they can't comment, they can't comment. It will be for legal reasons.
Glad I pre-ordered from Paradox mere hours before this went down, sympathy for those who have missed out.
Glad I pre-ordered from Paradox mere hours before this went down, sympathy for those who have missed out.
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You may be right. I wouldn't know. I can only go by the information I was given, but that was in training conducted by real political lobbyists. I find it doubtful that they'd be so misinformed, but of course anything is possible. Though I hope you'll forgive me if I take their word over yours, since to me you are a random person on the Internet whom I don't even know.
(Also my own personal experience confirms what I was taught, but I realize that that is just anecdotal.)
EDIT: Perhaps there is a country difference? I'd imagine that politicians might respond quite differently to constituent communications in different countries.
You may be right. I wouldn't know. I can only go by the information I was given, but that was in training conducted by real political lobbyists. I find it doubtful that they'd be so misinformed, but of course anything is possible. Though I hope you'll forgive me if I take their word over yours, since to me you are a random person on the Internet whom I don't even know.
(Also my own personal experience confirms what I was taught, but I realize that that is just anecdotal.)
EDIT: Perhaps there is a country difference? I'd imagine that politicians might respond quite differently to constituent communications in different countries.
Of course, no offence taken. I réalise too I have no other posts on the forums other than this thread - I used to have an account back when HOI3 was in development but I lost access to that email and couldn’t reset it.
Anyway, again from my experience - in Australia both local members and especially ministers will receive hundreds of letters a week. unless it’s from a person of significance or a major issue of widespread community concern it will be passed to the relevant government department to answer. If there are only a few letters on what will look like people simply complaining their favorite new game isn’t being made available, it will be seen as extremely low priority. The issue will not be taken seriously unless it is perceived to have major political repercussions.
I’m not saying democracy doesn’t work -rather that people write in with pet peeves all the time and until enough people make an issue of political significance it just won’t register.
Perhqps it’s my frustration at the situation shining through, but I’ve just seen this way too many times. I hope I’m wrong.
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I can't say whether what you say is correct or not, but it sounds reasonable to me.
It might be worth for me to point out that my experience and knowledge is from North America (the U.S.A. and Canada specifically), so it might be as simple as different political cultures.
Just wanna put it out there, considering PDX is honouring pre-orders, it's likely they're fighting to get an R18+ knocked down to MA15+ as importation and possession of RC games as actually illegal. So much so that the government considers them contraband akin to methamphetamines, explosives, and firearms.
Think I'm joking? The ACB have a whole page on illegal imports and exports on their website.
Yep, it's the standard customs laws. Big jail time possible. So I suppose we're safe from being lashed with RC at least.
Think I'm joking? The ACB have a whole page on illegal imports and exports on their website.
Yep, it's the standard customs laws. Big jail time possible. So I suppose we're safe from being lashed with RC at least.
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We have a fundamentalis Hillsong christian running the place. CK3 or CK2 for that matter doesn't exactly present christianity or religion in general in a very good light. Wouldn't surprise me if it was something along those lines.
We've had Witcher 2 and 3 which had no shortage of nudity, even POE2 had some minor nudity, so not sure that's it either.
The whole thing makes no sense. We can read a novel about a sorcerer blowing up a village, but we can't read the events related to a kill plot? It's all a bad joke.
Thanks Rod for keeping us as updated as you can and good luck dealing with our backwards government who are stuck in the 1950's
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Which is bloody stupid, I'm Catholic and love CK2, my Catholic friends all love the game.
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Been hanging out for this game for ages and saw that it wasn't available on Steam a few weeks ago but thought oh well i'll just preorder through paradox. Left it until today to preoder and boy am i regretting that. Totally sucks.
Could even be a fight over Paradox wanting an M rating but the board insisting on an MA 15+. Personally, I think that's the most likely case.
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If that is the case why not just release it with the higher rating and try to get it reviewed afterwards. How many of the core audience of this type of game are realistically less than 15 anyway?
Once you are past 18 ratings don’t mean anything, and it’s not like they are going to be doing a physical console release and have parents inadvertently buying off the shelves in EB Games for their kids at Christmas.
Further why would’ve third parties like Fanatical refunded/stopped selling it. Surely it has been refused classification and the stores and Paradox fear getting fined.
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At this point it hasn't been assigned a rating, which means they can't sell it yet. That's different to Refused Classification, which is a concrete decision.
For what it's worth, my Paradox Store account is showing an entry for both Plaza and Steam. Paradox have advised they will honour purchases "from their end" so it may be that you won't be able to use Steam, but have to install direct somehow (dunno, never had to do it before).
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(A big proviso to the following, I'm neither qualified in any way shape or form nor particularly knowledgeable about this subject)
Witcher 2 is a bad example, because that had to have a sex scene removed in the Australian version. When it comes to refusing classification a lot of the time it's not so much that there is nudity/sex, but that sex can be either sold or used as a reward. This was the case in Witcher 2, where they removed an option to sleep with a woman that you saved because it was deemed as being a reward for having saved her. This was before the R18+ classification for games however, but it is worth noting that when the new rules for R18+ were brought in, Fable Anniversary, the remake of a game rated M, received an R18+ classification due to the fact that in one instance you could prostitute yourself by disguising as a woman. Even though there was no nudity in that game, the language of the guidelines was strictly enforced to not allow you to gain advantage from certain acts (even though prostitution itself is decriminalised in most of Australia). This thinking is somewhat similar to the refused classification of NFL Blitz, which was refused classification due to allowing players to gain an advantage through drug use. There are more recent examples of drug use linked to incentives being the justification for refusing classification since 2011 when the R18 rating was introduced. This is what I personally think is the issue, because hashish smoker is a trait in CK3.
It seems to be these interpretations of the guidelines that lead to a game getting refused classification or an R18+ rating in the absence of more explicit violence or for refused classification sexual violence/sex with minors.. If that's the case, I don't see how CK3 is not going to get an R18+ rating, given that hashish smoker is a trait that removes stress, and that procuring prostitutes also removes stress, both of which provide material advantage more explicitly than examples of other games that received the R18+ rating. I don't think it would be worth it for Paradox to try get an MA15+ rating, because I think that would require significant cuts to the stress system. However there is still a chance that it is being refused classification due to the fact that drug use provides what could be deemed incentives.
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