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Why? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Polish_Revolutionary_Committee.
But if you won't change your decision about anexed Poland, Soviet should join only Privislansky Kray (central Poland), Danzing, Greater Poland and Silesia should by in Germany. (as Lenin announced during Polish-Soviet war)
Perhaps the "Allies" (Axis) of France and UK could get a boost from the intellectuals/industrialists and upper class who were forced to flee from most of Central/Eastern Europe and the Americas (that's a lot of businessman and refugees!)? I'm certain that might provide a boost to the tech teams and industrial capacity of most of Western Europe.
What of the chances of and Unholy alliance between the Axis and the Fourth International? Any plans for South America, Asia and Africa? Will there be similar ideological conflicts like KR? It would be pretty interesting for the Soviet Comintern and Fourth International to be fighting an ideological Cold War in South America and Asia! I can also imagine the Axis countries would try to hold onto their colonies a lot harder than OTL (and cause a lot of socialist/communist insurgencies).
What of the chances of and Unholy alliance between the Axis and the Fourth International? Any plans for South America, Asia and Africa? Will there be similar ideological conflicts like KR? It would be pretty interesting for the Soviet Comintern and Fourth International to be fighting an ideological Cold War in South America and Asia! I can also imagine the Axis countries would try to hold onto their colonies a lot harder than OTL (and cause a lot of socialist/communist insurgencies).
a main part of the plot will be the rift between the authoritarian Stalinists and the more democratic, benevolent socialist nations that have formed around Trotsky and his ideas/theories.
Yes, I'll try my best to implement a Cold War scenario dealing with a world wide clash between the two communist camps...if the Reactionary Axis nations of France and Britain are defeated that is.
from wikipedia: "The Fourth International (FI) (1938–1963) is the communist international organisation consisting of followers of Leon Trotsky (Trotskyists), with the declared dedicated goal of helping the working class bring about socialism. Historically, the Fourth International was established in France in 1938: Trotsky and his supporters, having been expelled from the Soviet Union, considered the Comintern or Third International to have become "lost to" Stalinism and incapable of leading the international working class to political power."
one idea for the relatively Left Communist Italian Socialist Republic is for it to break off from the Comintern and to throw in it's lot with Trotsky. Potential Trotskyite nations include Spain after it's (more bloody and interventionist thanks in no small part to France and Britain) civil war, the USSA, Mexico, etc.
Again, I've got a ton on research to do. I'm the kind of person who thinks up creative ideas first and works it out later(is that good or bad, lol).
What you should know about me is I'm a writer[of sorts] (check this out: http://antishurtugal.livejournal.com/690328.html) and a Marxist. I'm very much in favor this mod as it allows me to get some of my views out about communism in general. For me, an ideal socialist society would be the socialist nations of Italy and the USSA presented in the mod. Stalin was/is a stain on the communist movement and I wish things in the USSR had turned out differently for the better in our own history. <Sigh> The 20th century was not good for socialism. If only the working class indeed did have democratic control of industry, if only the proletariat were the masters of their own lives, not bound in chains to an oppressive bureaucracy. I hope many of you will open yourselves up to new ideas. you should try reading http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ one of these days. Its a good book, trust me.
I have a crap load of flags done for this mod(credit goes to Ostheim). We are working together on the mod. Anyone else care to join us?
Yes, I'll try my best to implement a Cold War scenario dealing with a world wide clash between the two communist camps...if the Reactionary Axis nations of France and Britain are defeated that is.
from wikipedia: "The Fourth International (FI) (1938–1963) is the communist international organisation consisting of followers of Leon Trotsky (Trotskyists), with the declared dedicated goal of helping the working class bring about socialism. Historically, the Fourth International was established in France in 1938: Trotsky and his supporters, having been expelled from the Soviet Union, considered the Comintern or Third International to have become "lost to" Stalinism and incapable of leading the international working class to political power."
one idea for the relatively Left Communist Italian Socialist Republic is for it to break off from the Comintern and to throw in it's lot with Trotsky. Potential Trotskyite nations include Spain after it's (more bloody and interventionist thanks in no small part to France and Britain) civil war, the USSA, Mexico, etc.
Again, I've got a ton on research to do. I'm the kind of person who thinks up creative ideas first and works it out later(is that good or bad, lol).
What you should know about me is I'm a writer[of sorts] (check this out: http://antishurtugal.livejournal.com/690328.html) and a Marxist. I'm very much in favor this mod as it allows me to get some of my views out about communism in general. For me, an ideal socialist society would be the socialist nations of Italy and the USSA presented in the mod. Stalin was/is a stain on the communist movement and I wish things in the USSR had turned out differently for the better in our own history. <Sigh> The 20th century was not good for socialism. If only the working class indeed did have democratic control of industry, if only the proletariat were the masters of their own lives, not bound in chains to an oppressive bureaucracy. I hope many of you will open yourselves up to new ideas. you should try reading http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ one of these days. Its a good book, trust me.
I have a crap load of flags done for this mod(credit goes to Ostheim). We are working together on the mod. Anyone else care to join us?
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Maybe Belgium and Netherlands could join for a more efficient defense of their homelands? And cooperating with the French to build an extended Maginot line (perhaps weaker than the real one).
I am in favor of the of the 'Pacific Defence Pact' Alliance. Japan wouldnt have let anyone else dominate Asia. So under the excuse of protection of Asia from Communism, I am sure they would have contacted the leaders of the Asia to join up with them and have ties with the European Allies. I would see Japan as leader, with China as close ally (A true dictatorship with Chang Kai Shek and Pu Yi as the figure head to attract as many people to join since the civil war is in full heat), either the Netherlands or the Benelux state I proposed would have a representative membership (they participate more actively when their homeland is occupied), Australia-New zealand would be democratic strongholds.
I think Indonesia, Indochina and India could be Trotskyist hot spots. Historically all those countries wanted independence and expected to receive it form Japan, but here only the leftists could help them and most werent too favorable to Stalin (except ho chi minh maybe). Philippines is already a free country but maybe it could become Trotskyist after a revolution and spark the mass revolts in Asia?
Similarly africa could have mass Trot and Stalin revolts?
(Idealism wont save mankind from the greed of man, unfortunately)
I am in favor of the of the 'Pacific Defence Pact' Alliance. Japan wouldnt have let anyone else dominate Asia. So under the excuse of protection of Asia from Communism, I am sure they would have contacted the leaders of the Asia to join up with them and have ties with the European Allies. I would see Japan as leader, with China as close ally (A true dictatorship with Chang Kai Shek and Pu Yi as the figure head to attract as many people to join since the civil war is in full heat), either the Netherlands or the Benelux state I proposed would have a representative membership (they participate more actively when their homeland is occupied), Australia-New zealand would be democratic strongholds.
I think Indonesia, Indochina and India could be Trotskyist hot spots. Historically all those countries wanted independence and expected to receive it form Japan, but here only the leftists could help them and most werent too favorable to Stalin (except ho chi minh maybe). Philippines is already a free country but maybe it could become Trotskyist after a revolution and spark the mass revolts in Asia?
Similarly africa could have mass Trot and Stalin revolts?
(Idealism wont save mankind from the greed of man, unfortunately)
Since West Europe goes fascist, they could be united in a single entity: White Europe, they would be disciminative to the non-whites and jews and would accuse them for the current state of the world. Of course they would lose all their colonies. There could also be United Arabic Clapihate allied with them. I would also really like to see in this mod a Chinese-Japanese-Korean union that can go extremist as well or stay the last hope of democracy.
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White Europe would include Great Britain, France, Benelux, Iberia, Switzerland, the Lombardia-Parma line in Italy (parts of Nothern Italy were saved from the revolutions), Sardinia, and would have taken advamtege of the demilitarized Rheinlands and take their ownerships to stop the revolution on the Rhein-line.
The United Caliphate would include Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Arabic peninsula, Iraq (the capital is in Baghdad), Jordan , Syria, Lebanon, Palestina and perhaps Persia (the Sunni and Shite muslims finally go to peace by a Caliphate accepted on both sides) and they would be a mayor industrial power as well.
The Sino-Japanes Empire would include Japan, Korea, China, Transamur (Saved from the Revolution), Mongolia, Sakhalin, Formosa, Singapur and Indochina.
Tannu Tuva would be the Switzerland of the times
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White Europe would include Great Britain, France, Benelux, Iberia, Switzerland, the Lombardia-Parma line in Italy (parts of Nothern Italy were saved from the revolutions), Sardinia, and would have taken advamtege of the demilitarized Rheinlands and take their ownerships to stop the revolution on the Rhein-line.
The United Caliphate would include Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Arabic peninsula, Iraq (the capital is in Baghdad), Jordan , Syria, Lebanon, Palestina and perhaps Persia (the Sunni and Shite muslims finally go to peace by a Caliphate accepted on both sides) and they would be a mayor industrial power as well.
The Sino-Japanes Empire would include Japan, Korea, China, Transamur (Saved from the Revolution), Mongolia, Sakhalin, Formosa, Singapur and Indochina.
Tannu Tuva would be the Switzerland of the times
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Perhaps in South America, Brazil could become Stalinist or Trotskyist (Along with maybe a few other countries) and Argentina forms an alliance with other South American nations to contain the Red Threat in the region, with British and French support. Just an idea.
Scandinavia would also unite against the red threat and they would also go fascist, allied with La Plata (Chile, Argentina, Paraguay, Urugay, Bolivia), the United Calpihate and White Europe.
It would also be great to see that in North America forms the democratic United Pacific states wich consists of the land from Mexican California to Alaska bordered by the Rocky Mountains and allied with the also democtratic United Provinces and Greater Columbia.
This way in America we will have the USSA, Brasilian People's Republic, Mexican Union as the marxist states, the PSA, United Provinces and Greater Columbia as democratic and La Plata and perhaps Cuba as far rightist states.
It would also be great to see that in North America forms the democratic United Pacific states wich consists of the land from Mexican California to Alaska bordered by the Rocky Mountains and allied with the also democtratic United Provinces and Greater Columbia.
This way in America we will have the USSA, Brasilian People's Republic, Mexican Union as the marxist states, the PSA, United Provinces and Greater Columbia as democratic and La Plata and perhaps Cuba as far rightist states.
I was thining again. In the Balkans Hungary would keep Transylvania and Novi Sad Petrovgrad, Eisenstad however there would be a Slovak SSR led from Presov (Bratislava is also Hungarian) and puppeted by Hungary. In the begining times of the Revolution the Soviets viewed the Hungarian marxist revolution as their closest berthern. There would never be such entities like Yugoslavia and Czechslovakia. Romania, the Serbs and Czech would be punished since they wanted to partition the Hungarian socialist state, the best friend of Soviet Russia. I belive the Greek would also easily join the revolution since they always have been highly influenced by the leftist ideologies. Perhaps they could create the Iconian Socialist Republic consisting of Greece, Crete, Cyprus, Izmyt, Constantinaples, Bursa, Macedonia, Albania and Southern Bulgaria.
Man, the hungarian politics looks awful. Not to offend you, but they are totally incorrect. If you want I can revise it for you.
Well, whats wrong with them? Is it the lack of a Slovak SR(That is due to 'lack of modding skill'). I'm working with an more experienced modder right now who knows how to make nations(I really don't know how, but he will show me how soon). I do realize the glaring inaccuracies in my mod, and will fix them later. Right now I'm still working out the plot, making flags/shields, and brainstorming new nations.
Care to join us on skype anyone. Just post ur skype account here and u can join us. Mine is beanielarue
Care to join us on skype anyone. Just post ur skype account here and u can join us. Mine is beanielarue
Well, VI Imre, I think as we are both hungarians, you shall see the problems as well Don't be ridiculous.
bean1, first I would like to say my general idea how a communist Hungary should look like, and then, how a good minister list should look like.
If you want to make the Tanácsköztársaság's storyline clear, than I got an idea: The Socialist Republic, has defended all of Hungary's territory, defeating the romanian and czech invaders. So by '36 Slovakia and Transylvania should be hungarian. The Slovakian SR was a little "divide and conquer" state, in order to make the slovakians to join Hungary, instead of the czechs. So after defeating the CZE in 19-20 it must have been annexed. I think Yugoslavia(Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes) should be formed and all the southern ex monarchy territories, except Novi Sad should be ceded to it.
So, the ministers:
Zsedényi Béla. Forget him, completely. He wasn't a communist, socialist, fascist, he wasn't a politician at all. Delete him for the complete minister list, the fact, that he became the head of state after WWII, for a year, was completely fortunate.
Rajk László. He is too young to be the prime minister. And at that time, in real, he wasn't a great party man at all.
Erik Molnár. He is a good, but maybe too young.
Zalka MÁTÉ. Good descision, the best in the list.
Nikolaj Berzin. Who the f is he? He supposed to be Nikolai Erastovich Berzarin, the military leader of Berlin?
Hardy Kálmán is okay, Bródy György is good as well.
If you wish, I can make a research for real communist or social democrat politicians at that time, to make a really good mod.
Don't be ridiculous.bean1, first I would like to say my general idea how a communist Hungary should look like, and then, how a good minister list should look like.
If you want to make the Tanácsköztársaság's storyline clear, than I got an idea: The Socialist Republic, has defended all of Hungary's territory, defeating the romanian and czech invaders. So by '36 Slovakia and Transylvania should be hungarian. The Slovakian SR was a little "divide and conquer" state, in order to make the slovakians to join Hungary, instead of the czechs. So after defeating the CZE in 19-20 it must have been annexed. I think Yugoslavia(Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes) should be formed and all the southern ex monarchy territories, except Novi Sad should be ceded to it.
So, the ministers:
Zsedényi Béla. Forget him, completely. He wasn't a communist, socialist, fascist, he wasn't a politician at all. Delete him for the complete minister list, the fact, that he became the head of state after WWII, for a year, was completely fortunate.
Rajk László. He is too young to be the prime minister. And at that time, in real, he wasn't a great party man at all.
Erik Molnár. He is a good, but maybe too young.
Zalka MÁTÉ. Good descision, the best in the list.
Nikolaj Berzin. Who the f is he? He supposed to be Nikolai Erastovich Berzarin, the military leader of Berlin?
Hardy Kálmán is okay, Bródy György is good as well.
If you wish, I can make a research for real communist or social democrat politicians at that time, to make a really good mod.
Well Béla Kun is still there and the original staff of the original Hungarian Soviet Republic (Tanácsköztársoság in Hungarian). I belive Slovakia would stay on the map as a puppet of Hungary, ruling Zilina, Banska Bistrica, Presov and perhaps Moravia (Tesin, Opava, Presov and Brno). And I don't agree with the situation in the south, since the Serbs would be defeated, they would be punished, Italy would get bits and pieces from Dalmatia, the communist Greek would get Macedonia, perhaps Austria would keep Krain (Slovenia). I also belive that the People's Republic of Croatia would take Bosnia as well, and Serbia, as a final punishment would be a puppet of the Soviet Union himself.
first of all, how in the world do u change ministers. tried it and they stayed the same for France.
I will attempt to the best of my ability to to do what u suggested right above this post.
I will attempt to the best of my ability to to do what u suggested right above this post.
Would you accept people who just want to pitch ideas, or would you prefer experienced modders? If the former is the case, I'd love to help. Otherwise, I'll just watch the development as it goes along.
That is funny, I was thinking of some of the same ideas just before checking the forums just now
i guess if you have at least basic modding skills u can join up.
Ostheim, why is ur mod Arms and Armistice cancelled?
Ostheim, why is ur mod Arms and Armistice cancelled?
Well if this mod is just some communist propaganda, I won't be bothered to check it out.
It's not propaganda, it will be balanced. There will be fascist and democratic countries as well. Wait until the next major update