Unrealistic conquests?

[unmerged(150720)]

What are the purpose for England to hold the most southern parts of Portugal in 1414?

Of course it could be real that Portugal and England ended up in a war, but i guess in reality if England won they would have demanded cash instead of land long away from them. When the age of colonialism begun it could be right maybe, but not in 1414...

 

[dogfish8]

I'm totally cool with this... take a look at Calais, Gascony on the game, Hong Kong, Gibraltar IRL.

How many wars did england fight because they had some base with dudes in it on the mainland? LOTS

 

[monsterfurby]

Not exactly unrealistic. Maybe that's your timeline's equivalent to Gibraltar.

 

[unmerged(150720)]

Not exactly unrealistic. Maybe that's your timeline's equivalent to Gibraltar.

I say it would be a bit unrealistic before the age of colonism... I don't know how many nations did this before colonism, but i guess it's very few.

 

[A_Dane]

i've had england be in the most weird places, south italy, aragon, tunesia, the holy land, and southern russia. (don't ask me about tunesia and the holy land, no idea how they ended up there). the others were through alliance conquests xD

 

[unmerged(64753)]

Even without colonialism, England still have a huge navy and trade activities in the Mediterranean, I guess such an operating base wouldn't hurt.

 

[Tufto]

What is stranger is that Granada is still alive...

 

[nygardq]

In my game as The Papal State Castille got into a war with the Ottomans early on, and by 1530 or so had conquered and held the provinces long enough to have gained cores on them, on most of todays Bulgaria, Greece and all of Turkey, except for one province which was held by the Ottomans, now a one province nation. :wacko:

 

[A_Dane]

oh ye, i've had that happen too, kinda scary as i was georgia right next door xD

 

[Nimic]

That doesn't look that unrealistic to me.

 

[unmerged(146885)]

i've had england be in the most weird places, south italy, aragon, tunesia, the holy land, and southern russia. (don't ask me about tunesia and the holy land, no idea how they ended up there). the others were through alliance conquests xD

Southern Russia?
What do you mean with that?

 

[DarthJF]

At least they did ask provinces that they have good sea connection to. Sometimes the AI just annexes countries in central Germany that they are not connected at all.

 

[Sarmatia1871]

That doesn't look that unrealistic to me.

Oh it does. It would look a bit weird but maybe justifiable in the 18th century when Britain was a major naval power in need of bases all over the place, but in 1414, when England was primarily known for its ability to export sheep-derived produce, it's completely ludicrous.

In fact, early game English predominance, where it almost invariably munches Scotland and most of Ireland while amassing naval possessions like this in the first few decades, is something which it would be good for modders and future patches to fix.

 

[Swedish Steel!]

What are the purpose for England to hold the most southern parts of Portugal in 1414?

Of course it could be real that Portugal and England ended up in a war, but i guess in reality if England won they would have demanded cash instead of land long away from them. When the age of colonialism begun it could be right maybe, but not in 1414...

The problem with this kind of thing is that when a nation has no cash left in their official treasury, one cannot simply loot the country to make up for that - nor can one loot the country at all anyway. This means that for the AI, demanding territory is the only thing left to do while in reality Portugal would probably have been indebted over a period of time, England would've gotten some favorable trade/diplomatic deals and so on. Nations whenever possible sought to transfer the costs of their troops onto occupied or foreign territory, which cannot be done while the war is being waged nor when the war is over and you want a refund for your maintenance.

Diplomatic deals both in peace and war time, details such as port ownership, toll rights and lots of other such things is one of the key weaknesses of EU3.

 

[unmerged(183040)]

Maybe starting in alater era alters this - I usually start 1450 and then Castille, Portugal and England are most busy colonizing America - in my game at least.

Aragorn still there, Ireland intact, Scotland intact.
And for my great delight in HTTT Burgundy and France stand toe-to-toe - almost same manpower and army size

 

[Black_Shade]

Southern Russia?
What do you mean with that?

Happens almost every game for me. Unfortunately I inherited them somehow the next day which pretty much ruined my game as I was already unstopable and they were the next strongest power. Didnt even have a PU....

 

[joriandrake]

unrealistic events are what made our history, like the growth of Rome, the disappearance of the Frankish Empire, the conquest of England by some normandians, the appearance of Prussia, or that some english colony becomes world power just a century after its independence

 

[sylverCode]

EU3 is not supposed to be historical, it's a sandbox game.

 

[unmerged(80814)]

I think the cost of a province not connected to the nation receiving it should cost a lot more, something like +50% to discourage this kind of behaviour by the AI.

 

[unmerged(150720)]

unrealistic events are what made our history, like the growth of Rome, the disappearance of the Frankish Empire, the conquest of England by some normandians, the appearance of Prussia, or that some english colony becomes world power just a century after its independence

But when the hell have you heard about English colonies in Southern Portugal against a country that probably would have won a devastating victory on Portuguese ground? :O

Those events you say isn't unrealistic.
In ancient times the world was pretty much divided into very small kingdoms and yes they were very small, maybe just a city and some land outside. Rome was built in about 750 BC. After some centuries later the city grow bigger which strengthened the Kingdom. They defeated the other Kingdoms around them and assimilated them and then you can find out the rest yourself.

The Frankish Empire was divided by the Emperor's sons and made it weak.

The Normans i don't know much about. Go read about it, i guess they had a stronger and better organised army plus they were supported by France.

There is loads of Germans and the Brandenburgian inheritance of Prussia just made them stronger. You know they won over the Austrians which had an way bigger Empire and had an Emperor :O

"Some English Colony?" Do you know that most of the American population isn't even English... In fact German is. It is not very strange that they become World Power as everyone believed in the American dream so tons of people moved to the USA. 2nd world war made it even worse... Now all Jews suddenly moved to America and smart people like Albert Einstein who was a German Jew moved to USA. After the 2nd WW USA and Soviet kidnapped German scientists (What? Haven't the Americans and Russians read their home work about to build super powerful weapons?) to the USA, i guess the USA and Soviet wasn't especially educated as.

Those events you mentioned ain't unrealistic. They happened, just way later unless the Rise of Rome...

I think the cost of a province not connected to the nation receiving it should cost a lot more, something like +50% to discourage this kind of behaviour by the AI.

Yes until the age of colonism begins

EU3 is not supposed to be historical, it's a sandbox game.

I guess most people have found out... But it doesn't mean that a nation should do a strange conquest far away in year 1414. That's later.