Unnaturally Long Reign

[Naughtius Maximus]

Immortals pretty much break the game in how easy it becomes.

Most of it comes from the long reign bonus, which after many years makes you incredibly stable with no effort whatsoever. I've played it and I have basically zero factions and zero attempts at my life unless I purposely encourage rivals.

What I propose is that after say, 75 years or so long reign starts to decrease into through another modifier. Unnaturally long reign, a negative opinion modifier. It will lower opinion to a base -40 after say, 200 years of decrease.

That's still some 300 years or so of incredibly stable (and likely genius) reign.

 

[thevmag]

And then your sweet long reign bonus disappears the moment you reload the game
There are two really big disadvantages to immortality that I've found, though:
-If you want to maintain your non-aggression pacts through the ages, you're going to have to continue to produce close kin. Nephews and siblings are alright, but only last a generation. Sons, daughters and grandchildren are better, but therein lies the problem: if you're producing more pact-makers to keep up with your dying vassals, your family becomes very very crowded and hard to navigate. Minor inconvenience becomes a much bigger issue than having an eternally stable realm.
-The heartbreak of having a really good genius grandchild with amazing stats that would be an amazing heir, if only you wouldn't outlive him.

Those two issues alone forced me to take radical medical procedures and start and surrender to a civil war. It was worth dying alone and disfigured in exile.

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

My one successful attempt at immortality was from a 30 stat in Learning genius who castrated himself to remove syphilis earlier in life.

Literally the only way for me to make close kin is to marry hedonists or lustful women and get cuckholded, haha.

 

[thevmag]

Literally the only way for me to make close kin is to marry hedonists or lustful women and get cuckholded, haha.

My wife tells my she is pregnant, but that can't be right, can it?
-Doubt besets me.
-As was promised to Abraham and Sarah! It is a miracle! [Gain Zealous trait. This option is available because of your high Learning]

 

[mrstevehazzard]

I'd love to see a negative opinion modifier appear after your ruler hits, say, 100 and still looks like he's 35. Clearly this is the work of dark forces.

 

[Rags17]

A very old oldie but still a goodie -

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...e-the-most-capable-incapable-basileus.697786/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...e-the-most-capable-incapable-basileus.697786/
Totally agree with the very long term negative opinion modifier - how is any self respecting immortal supposed to end up shuttered in his abandoned castle on the hill, despised by all, unless this is added ?

 

[GrimmTurd]

I'd love to see a negative opinion modifier appear after your ruler hits, say, 100 and still looks like he's 35. Clearly this is the work of dark forces.

Totally agree with the very long term negative opinion modifier - how is any self respecting immortal supposed to end up shuttered in his abandoned castle on the hill, despised by all, unless this is added ?

Progress the character's age even further beyond the decrepit features currently to that of eventual undead or skeletal.
Long reign the Lich King? Depose/form defensive pact against Lich King.

 

[DukeDayve]

Why not disable supernatural events? Surely I'm not the only one who finds this supernatural crap to be completely and utterly outrageous and totally unfitting to the overall theme of this game?

I could just barely swallow the demonspawn stuff. I just imagine it's a crazy person convinced they're the spawn of Satan, attracting other equally insane people to be their evil disciples (who are all coincidentally geniuses in military/intrigue).

But immortality?

Is there even 1 example of this from history?

 

[Druesling]

 

[GrimmTurd]

Why not disable supernatural events? Surely I'm not the only one who finds this supernatural crap to be completely and utterly outrageous and totally unfitting to the overall theme of this game?

I could just barely swallow the demonspawn stuff. I just imagine it's a crazy person convinced they're the spawn of Satan, attracting other equally insane people to be their evil disciples (who are all coincidentally geniuses in military/intrigue).

But immortality?

Is there even 1 example of this from history?

I honestly like all the supernatural events. They add a significant amount of unexpected outcomes, particularly when you think you've gotten everything under control. I really enjoy the humor that's behind a lot of them.
But I agree that if you didn't want them to occur then so be it. Faith, belief and religion seem to be the root of all supernatural claims, and where would the history we know it be without that?

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

I like supernatural events. They provide a decent flavor to the game and are (aside from immortality) hard to distinguish between actual event or lunacy.

Thing is spawn of satan balanced by being rather temporary and has drawbacks.

Werewolf risks killing off a key commander, claimant, or kin.

Immortal as it is now effortlessly secures internal aspects of your realm for the rest of the game, management of it is one of the primary draws to even playing CK2 as opposed to Total War series.

 

[DukeDayve]

Disagree with me all you want, the supernatural event is ridiculous. At least an Aztec invasion is plausible if Aztec culture had evolved differently in the centuries prior to the time the event takes place in this game.

Immortality? Yeah... no. It's nothing more than a cheat. I hope achievements are disabled when the event is working.

 

[GrimmTurd]

I've never looked up the immortality event in it's entirety, so I'm not even sure of what outcome there is supposed to be. I have gotten the start of the event on a few different games, but I was dabbling with various cultures/religions/locations with recently added content (for myself) so I was only spending up to 100 years in any game. 1 particular game, however, I did finish the event, or at least that's what I thought the expected outcome was.
So after the various "tests" from the little wise girl from India were apparently successful, I accepted the "death" of my character, my son inherited, and a new child of the dynasty was born in my court (no parents/retained the traits of the previous ruler).
Is this the "immortality" event and does that child essentially live forever?

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

I've never looked up the immortality event in it's entirety, so I'm not even sure of what outcome there is supposed to be. I have gotten the start of the event on a few different games, but I was dabbling with various cultures/religions/locations with recently added content (for myself) so I was only spending up to 100 years in any game. 1 particular game, however, I did finish the event, or at least that's what I thought the expected outcome was.
So after the various "tests" from the little wise girl from India were apparently successful, I accepted the "death" of my character, my son inherited, and a new child of the dynasty was born in my court (no parents/retained the traits of the previous ruler).
Is this the "immortality" event and does that child essentially live forever?

No you basically died.

To succeed you need a stat in the high 20s. Usually requires a genius to get a stat that high to begin with.

That particular indian girl would be testing your learning stat, which was how my genius eunuch got immortality.

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

Disagree with me all you want, the supernatural event is ridiculous. At least an Aztec invasion is plausible if Aztec culture had evolved differently in the centuries prior to the time the event takes place in this game.

Immortality? Yeah... no. It's nothing more than a cheat. I hope achievements are disabled when the event is working.

I wouldn't have made this thread if I was disagreeing with you. Hence the unnaturally long reign proposal.

 

[GrimmTurd]

No you basically died.

To succeed you need a stat in the high 20s. Usually requires a genius to get a stat that high to begin with.

That particular indian girl would be testing your learning stat, which was how my genius eunuch got immortality.

So is what I got the "consolation prize"? Cuz my character was in his late 50's when this event finished and succession was ready.
Having a new dynasty member be born in my court, with all the beneficial traits of the ruler who dies simultaneously, seems like a decent trade off.

 

[Kapitalisti]

This is why we can't have anything nice.

I mean, of course being immortal is going to be OP! Why do you think people have wanted to become immortal since always? If you don't want it, play without supernatural events.

 

[Misterawesome93]

Things like this are why we have game rules like the ability to turn off supernatural events. If you dont like them play with it off. If you do like them play with it on. If you play with them on and dont like it your doing it wrong. And if you like the supernatural events but don't like immortality and get the rare event for it just hit the no thanks button and go on with your life.

 

[Darkrenown]

There is actually a long reign penalty, but it doesn't seem to work as intended.

Also, in 2.6.2 there are some events where vassals of an immortal become suspicious of their unnatural lifespans.

 

[Ontos]

There is actually a long reign penalty, but it doesn't seem to work as intended.

Also, in 2.6.2 there are some events where vassals of an immortal become suspicious of their unnatural lifespans.

Is there a possibility that you could fake your own death?