Unlawful territory demand can be accepted by AI now?

[Unready]

Subj

If I remember correctly one of previous version changelog said what AI always rejects unlawful territory demands.
But now as I can see it is not always so.
Couldn't one of developers clarify on what cases such demand can be accepted?

 

[Sunspawn]

It now has modifiers like in most diplo interactions (alliance, RM, vassalage, etc).

What bothers me is that while AI will not ask from AI to return unlawful territory if the modifiers say it won't agree, but will ALWAYS ask a player.

 

[Unready]

It now has modifiers like in most diplo interactions (alliance, RM, vassalage, etc).
What bothers me is that while AI will not ask from AI to return unlawful territory if the modifiers say it won't agree, but will ALWAYS ask a player.

No. I see now both accepted and rejected demands from AI emperor to AI members.

 

[Dacleth]

What I found most annoying is that not only my vassals accepted unlawful territory request from the emperor (which is in some way acceptable) but also my lesser PU partner. I mean, who had the decision to make if not me? I was allied with the Emperor in that case, so he would not have bothered me if I had taken the province for myself. That felt a bit odd.

 

[A Secret Friend]

It now has modifiers like in most diplo interactions (alliance, RM, vassalage, etc).

What bothers me is that while AI will not ask from AI to return unlawful territory if the modifiers say it won't agree, but will ALWAYS ask a player.

Actually, the AI Emperor will not ask you to return territory if you're allied to them and your relations are over 100.

 

[Sunspawn]

Actually, the AI Emperor will not ask you to return territory if you're allied to them and your relations are over 100.

That's obvious, I was talking about circumstances where AI would refuse and AI Emperor does not ask, but if you console-switch to that tag, the unlawful imperial territory request comes right up.

 

[A Secret Friend]

That's obvious, I was talking about circumstances where AI would refuse and AI Emperor does not ask, but if you console-switch to that tag, the unlawful imperial territory request comes right up.

Oh. I haven't tried that out, so I had no idea.

I guess it might just be a result of the AI not having such rigid measurements when it comes to judging the actions of a human player, but if it is as drastic as it sounds, I think it ought to be toned down a bit.

 

[Sunspawn]

Oh. I haven't tried that out, so I had no idea.

I guess it might just be a result of the AI not having such rigid measurements when it comes to judging the actions of a human player, but if it is as drastic as it sounds, I think it ought to be toned down a bit.

Did it with Bohemia - took a province, switch to austria to check modifiers, had <-100 from many sources (not just a single one), switch back to Bohemia happy that I won't get smacked, a week after that effing pop-up shows up. Cursed out loud, pissing the professor off.

 

[Cathal341]

If a nation conquers a couple of provinces within the HRE in my Austria game and has good relations with me they seem to always accept, less often if it's just one province.

 

[Wizzington]

It now has modifiers like in most diplo interactions (alliance, RM, vassalage, etc).

What bothers me is that while AI will not ask from AI to return unlawful territory if the modifiers say it won't agree, but will ALWAYS ask a player.

Incorrect. It slams everyone it's not allied to with unlawful territory.

 

[ChildeR]

It's very annoying that so many nations seem to end up conquering one province, getting lots of AE, then just giving it back. When they take two and return one it at least makes some sense.

I don't think the AI should take a (single) province if they would accept the demand to return it.

 

[Xara]

AI gets hit by Unlawful all the time from AI emperor. In fact it's more common when an AI emperor is in charge than the player, since the player is more likely to have such strong alliances that the AI being demanded from is more willing to accept out of fear

It's just a waste of IA unfortunately if it's going to be refused.

 

[Comrade110]

When I was playing the austria the AI acepted most of the time, if not then Imperial Ban war came. Imperial Ban wars are great way to make moneys from reparations/money asking from all those minors who joins vs you, even got achievement "Bleed them dry" (have 10 repar paid to you at the same time).

 

[Pornek]

Its not a waste per se. The CB can be useful if you couldnt declare on someone in an earlier situation because you had a truce with them or their ally who happened to annex a prince.

 

[Sadino]

If you're not sure if the AI has rejected demands or not, just check the provinces in question - if they're not allied and didn't give it up, the province will almost always have the 'unlawful imperial territory' modifier on it.

 

[Xara]

Its not a waste per se. The CB can be useful if you couldnt declare on someone in an earlier situation because you had a truce with them or their ally who happened to annex a prince.

Ok, it's useful if they formerly annexed a prince entirely but you didn't attack them over it, while they recently took a province without annexing a prince. Then you can attack using the unlawful demand when what you really want is to release princes.

But it still costs 1 IA when they refuse, and what you're doing needs to lead to a net gain in IA to be worth it. If this war isn't going to result in several princes returned, gaining a +0.01 IA / month from just recovering 1 or 2 would take over 8 years to recoup.

More useful during reformation when you can use it to 'actually' get into wars with OPMs you need to convert back, or get into another war with someone you have a truce with but not with their ally, so you can convert them the 2nd war after making them release nations in the 1st.

 

[Ilightmaster]

I didn't read all of your replies but i little concern when i give provinces to one of my vassals and then he gives it back to the Emperor. Emperor should ask an unlawful territory to the leader instead of individually asking to each vassals. If anyones want to take a province, the game should assume that this was wanted and he shouldn't give it back but face the consequences

 

[andersonm]

If the Emperor is strong, most small HRE nations will return one of their unlawful territories... it includes a huge hit to relations towards the Emperor so they'll hate them after and won't return anything else for a while. Found out the hard way even your own vassals will return non-cored HRE territory that you grant to them so you'll need to wait till you are Emperor yourself to start feeding them properly, or give them a bunch of territory at once so they only give back one.

 

[Ilightmaster]

Even if you are allied with him. ( it should be the opposite -> we should get a higher malus if we don't return unlawful territories and we are allied with him, asking under certain conditions but still asking )

 

[Citizen_Of_Yiff]

In my Ottomans game, I conquered Vienna from Austria, the current Emperor Bohemia didn't hit me with Unlawful territory despite his relations with me be -14 (and clearly not having an alliance) Bohemia was rivaled to Austria too, so I'm assuming that's why.