University remake

[Macieski]

Hi all,

Universites are kind of underwhelming in the current patch, seems a bit overpriced and comes into use a bit too late...
What about to give it a institution spread bonus and bring it closer to the early to mid game?

Let's dicuss!
Best Regards;

 

[AlazkanAssassin]

how about a boost to innovativeness gains proportional to the fraction of your dev with universities?

 

[Pale Blue]

I find Dev cost reduction infinitely more useful than institution spread.
The only time I find institution spread useful is if I have a huge empire, where it takes a while to reach the 10% treshhold.

 

[Sidolowka]

I find Dev cost reduction infinitely more useful than institution spread.
The only time I find institution spread useful is if I have a huge empire, where it takes a while to reach the 10% treshhold.

I'm pretty sure OP meant adding the Institution Spread on top of the dev cost, not replacing it.

Still probably wouldn't be worth the investment to be honest unless it's like +50%. 300 ducats for a local -20% dev cost and something like +20% Institution Spread would be pretty meh.

 

[Macieski]

I'm pretty sure OP meant adding the Institution Spread on top of the dev cost, not replacing it.

Still probably wouldn't be worth the investment to be honest unless it's like +50%. 300 ducats for a local -20% dev cost and something like +20% Institution Spread would be pretty meh.

This.

 

[Sidolowka]

Hi all,

Universites are kind of underwhelming in the current patch, seems a bit overpriced and comes into use a bit too late...
What about to give it a institution spread bonus and bring it closer to the early to mid game?

Let's dicuss!
Best Regards;

While a +50% Institution Spread bonus would be decent in a vacuum, you have to realise that Universities only become available after Admin Tech 17, which, assuming you're not taking tech ahead of time, is around 1622. This means that you only get the increased spread for the last 3 institutions, one of which spreads ridiculously fast (Manufactories), one that basically doesn't matter (Industrialisation; even in the most optimal of conditions it fires around 1760, and usually happens after 1770, with less than half a century left in the game), which basically means you only get the effects on the Enlightenment.

I'd say Universities need more appeal than this to be viable, some candidates could be

• -50% cost for advisors from this province
• Amplifies all other building effects in the province by +10% (Educating the local people would result in more efficient workers? Counting houses would give +110% pro. eff, Manufactories would give +1.1 goods produced, Cathedrals would give +66% tax and +3.3% missionary strength etc.)
• -10% local autonomy(?)
• -25% local culture conversion cost (You're essentially constructing a state-sponsored education facility in the province, perhaps it would be easier to spread language and culture through it?)

 

[Tavald]

Do you guys really think that universities are overpriced?
Or that the current bonuses are not good for the price?

In my experience when you can build universities, you are already at the point when you are missing building slots, not money.
Then you build this university, that don´t cost the build slot you don´t have, and help you develop to open new slots.

 

[MadDoctorScientist]

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• -10% local autonomy(?)
• -25% local culture conversion cost (You're essentially constructing a state-sponsored education facility in the province, perhaps it would be easier to spread language and culture through it?)

Universities would increase autonomy most likely. But the transition from Middle Ages to Rebirth to Enlightnement covers massive changes in academic life and higher education. And many universities were by all means cities within cities, with all that imply.

The Culture conversion bit makes sense, but it should be tied to a decree or something, as that was not always the case. Many fought against assimilation, some fought for it. Just as some were revolutionary and innovative, while others were pedantic and tradionalist.

Not without reason the great Doctor Paracelsus said there was more knowledge in his shoelaces than in all of Europe's schools and universities. Some scholars from diverse backgrounds and fields, going from Martin Luther to Alexander von Humbolt to Carl F. Gauss to René Descartes to Tycho Brahe to Eramus Darwin (and eventually his grandson), had a love-hate-hate-hate-hate relationship with academic life.
And do not get me started on the whole Leibniz-Newton affair.

 

[RMS Oceanic]

I'd like it if they actually gave extra building slots rather than just making room for themselves.