Universalis II

[Mats_SX]

~my opnion: i dont like pp system simply because i can't be bothered to go count them up and then choose edits, go to the save game and find the citis etc, too much work ^^

It could be simplified. Especially the war points part. Also the edit part could be simplified by writing template event sheets and make the editor fill those in for many edits. Cash, inflation, tax, culture, religion, sliders, provinces, cores, manpower, population... many things can be done easier with events.

 

[King John]

A very liberal culture rule ought to be enough to provide the extra motivation a person might need to go to war, and it would be a lot simpler and easier than doing this again

 

[unmerged(98575)]

I enjoyed the point system and my suggestion for the next game would be Historical Leaders, Random Leaders, and the current point system except I think that every point you gain should only be 1/2 a war point. That way 17 stat leaders can only be bought every 2-3 sessions and you would have to time them with your historical ones.

 

[unmerged(49459)]

it is true that liberal rule in culture would solve a lot of problems, but religion, especially in some areas is almost impossible to change, like pagan in teno, or a lot of provinces in asia. In europe it would be enough though.

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

As long as we don't play on weekends I'm in.

About all of those points system ideas. As Kanth mentioned I have some experience in that matter (look here http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222347 ) and I belive that Power&Prestige system combined with Aladar's edited scenario can give very very nice results.
First however I need to check if I still know how to run Perl program that I got from Zeitgeist. I made so many modification in it, that it became almost new program and Zeits instructions no longer apply to it But don't worry somwhere in my head there is memory of how to use this thing o

Just let me know if you are interested in this system.

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

A very liberal culture

But what exactly you have in mind? For some people liberal means you get culture after 100 years...

 

[Aladar]

I believe the 30/30 rule is rather liberal, but we should also apply that 10 provinses for 30 years will also be enough. Claiming german is simply way to hard, you need 15+ provinses.

And damn it's snowing like hell outside now.

 

[Aladar]

I've always felt that the p&p system gave to excessive bonus's to players, while the current system gives more limited rewards.

Anyway i'll update post 1 with news.

 

[Aladar]

Since we now have a strait from Portugal to Africa, which also Spain can benefit from, should we allow Venice the same? Perhaps a strait from Sicily to old Cathago?

 

[PJL]

Instead of having a liberal culture rule, why not let colonies create MP? This can be done by making 'Europe' cover the whole world instead of just Europe. It would also lessen the one advantage that the OE has in WATK due to the religion and it's capital land connection. To counter this, the MP boosts should taken off the points system, so that the only way to get extra MP would be to colonise or fight for it.

 

[Aladar]

Instead of having a liberal culture rule, why not let colonies create MP? This can be done by making 'Europe' cover the whole world instead of just Europe. It would also lessen the one advantage that the OE has in WATK due to the religion and it's capital land connection. To counter this, the MP boosts should taken off the points system, so that the only way to get extra MP would be to colonise or fight for it.

KJ told me that you can have 2 capitals, so another idea could be that every European nation could create a colonial capital, and thus gain manpower from 1 of it's colonies. That could actually be quite kewl.

 

[PJL]

KJ told me that you can have 2 capitals, so another idea could be that every European nation could create a colonial capital, and thus gain manpower from 1 of it's colonies. That could actually be quite kewl.

Well I was thinking of a broader change that woulf allow all countries to get manpower from all of their overseas colonies - I think this would help equalise the unfair advantages the OE has in this map.

 

[Aladar]

Well I was thinking of a broader change that woulf allow all countries to get manpower from all of their overseas colonies - I think this would help equalise the unfair advantages the OE has in this map.

But won't that require the provinse.csv file to be edited?

 

[PJL]

But won't that require the provinse.csv file to be edited?

Probably, so I guess you don't want to change more files, which is a good enough reason.

I do recommend everyone going down one tech group though, as it looks as though everyone will be at full land long before 1820 (or at least 50-something).

And random leaders should be left out if we're going for historical and points generated and super-leaders. We have enough of them already in the current game.

 

[unmerged(34338)]

Well I was thinking of a broader change that woulf allow all countries to get manpower from all of their overseas colonies - I think this would help equalise the unfair advantages the OE has in this map.

Unfair advantages?

Edit: The combination of not allowing the buying of extra MP and giving MP from whole the world would be a pretty bad combination. Buying MP may be the only way countries like Austria and to lesser extent BB/Poland could keep up with Spain and England.

 

[Aladar]

Unfair advantages?

Edit: The combination of not allowing the buying of extra MP and giving MP from whole the world would be a pretty bad combination. Buying MP may be the only way countries like Austria and to lesser extent BB/Poland could keep up with Spain and England.

Not to mention Sweden, Denmark and NL.

 

[unmerged(34338)]

Not to mention Sweden, Denmark and NL.

But these countries (NL especially) would get MP from their colonies.

But the whole idea to give MP and naval support from colonies doesn't sound to good to me anyway. Too many complications.

 

[Aladar]

Well the 2 capitals doesn't work. Atleast when i edited a capital to NL in Table, i suddenly only had 60k manpower.

 

[Monkii-sama]

This sounds interesting but also complicated with a pointssystem but when play I'll probably learn fast.

 

[bluelotus]

Perhaps I could play next year.