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Here's the latest unitnames file (mainly just naval unit names). We still have LOTS of nations that need ship and landunit names. Nor, by any means, should any of the lists we do have be considered final. :D

Let's use this thread for posting finalized lists that folks have agreed on. If two posters want to argue about shipnames for the CSA they can do it in the other thread. :) This thread should be kept fairly clean to make it easier for folks to grab the lists they want and add them to the file. :)

Here, BTW, are the unitcodes for Vicky:

0 - Infantry
1 - Cavalry
2 - Dragoon
3 - Irregular
4 - Battleship
5 - Cruiser (CL)
6 - Dreadnought
7 - Monitor
8 - Ironclad
9 - Man of War
10 - Heavy Cruiser (CA)
11 - Frigate
12 - Raider
13 - Submarine
14 - Steamer Transport
15 - Clipper Transport

The format is exactly the same as it was for HoI:
CSA;9;CSS Confederate States
CSA;9;CSS Independance
CSA;9;CSS President Davis
CSA;9;CSS Freedom
CSA;9;CSS Dixie
CSA;9;CSS Liberty
CSA;9;CSS Republic
CSA;9;CSS Southern Cross
CSA;9;CSS Osceola
CSA;9;CSS Southern Star
CSA;9;CSS Tecumseh
etc.


Edit: Upload current as of Nov 25th

Edit: there was a small problem with the file before... Should be fixed... PM me if it ain't. :)
 

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Countries that need Unit names:

BOLD: Completed

Italics: Partially completed
@: Naval Units Complete, Land Units needed
^: Land Units Comlpete, Naval Units needed

*: List of names posted but not yet added and finalized

Normal Type: Nothing yet.

ABU - Abu Dhabi
ADE - Aden
AFG - Afghanistan
ALB - Albania
ALD - Aldjazair
ANH - Anhalt
ANN - Annam
ARG - Argentina
ARM - Armenia
AST - Australia@
ATJ - Atjeh
AUS - Austria
AWA - Awadh
BAD - Baden
BAL - Bali
BAS - Bastar
BAY - Bavaria
BEL - Belgium
BER - Beroda
BHO - Bhopal
BHU - Bhutan
BIK - Bikaner
BOH - Bohemia-Moravia^
BOL - Bolivia
BOS - Bosnia-Herzegovina
BRA - Braunschweig
BRE - Bremen
BRU - Brunei
BRZ - Brazil
BUK - Bukkhara
BUL - Bulgaria
BUN - Bundelkhand
BUR - Burma
CAL - Californian Republic
CAM - Cambodia
CAN - Canada
CAT - Catalonia
CHE - Cherokee
CHI - China
CHL - Chile
CLM - Colombia ^
COB - Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
COL - Columbia *
COS - Costa Rica ^
CRE - Crete
CRI - Crimea
CRO - Croatia
CSA - Confederate States of America @
CUB - Cuba
CYP - Cyprus
DAI - Dai Viet
DAN - Denmark
DES - Deseret
DOM - Dominican Republic
DZG - Danzig
ECU - Ecuador ^
EGY - Egypt
ELS - El Salvador ^
ENG - United Kingdom@
EST - Estonia
ETH - Ethiopia
FIN - Finland
FLA - Flanders
FRA - France@
FRM - Frankfurt am Main
GEO - Georgia
GER - Germany
GRE - Greece
GUA - Guatemala ^
GWA - Gwailor
HAI - Haiti
HAM - Hamburg
HAN - Hannover
HAW - Hawaii
HED - Hesse-Darmstadt
HEJ - Hedjaz
HEK - Hesse-Kassel
HLS - Holstein
HOL - Netherlands
HON - Honduras ^
HOW - Madagascar
HUN - Hungary
HYD - Hyderabad
IND - Indore
ION - Ionian Islands
IRE - Ireland
ITA - Italy
JAI - Jaipur
JAS - Jaisalmer
JAV - Java
JOD - Jodhpur
KAL - Kalat
KAS - Kashmir
KHI - Khiva
KOK - Kokand
KOR - Korea
KRA - Krakow
KUT - Kutch
LAD - Ladakh
LIB - Liberia
LIP - Lippe-Detmold
LIT - Lithuania
LIV - Latvia
LOM - Lombardia
LUA - Luang Prabang
LUB - Lübeck
LUC - Lucca
LUX - Luxemburg
MAK - Makran
MAL - Johore
MAN - Manhattan Commune
MEC - Mecklenburg
MEI - Saxe-Meiningen
MEW - Mewar
MEX - Mexico ^
MIN - ???
MOD - Modena
MOL - Moldavia
MON - Montenegro
MOR - Morocco
MTC - Metis Confederacy
MUG - Mughalistan
MYS - Mysore
NAG - Nagpur
NAL - Natalia
NAS - Nassau
NEJ - Nejd
NEN - New England
NEP - Nepal
NEW - Newfoundland
NGF - North German Federation
NIC - Nicaragua ^
NIP - Japan
NOR - Norway
NWZ - New Zealand
OLD - Oldenburg
OMA - Oman
ORA - Oranje
ORI - Orissa
PAN - Panjab
PAP - Papal States
PAR - Parma
PER - Persia
PEU - Peru@
PNM - Panama ^
POL - Poland
POR - Portugal@
PRG - Paraguay ^
PRU - Prussia
QUE - Quebec
ROM - Romania
RUS - Russia
RUT - Ruthenia
SAR - Sardinia-Piedmont
SAX - Saxony
SCA - Scandinavia
SCH - Schleswig
SCO - Scotland
SEM - Shimla
SER - Serbia
SGF - South German Federation
SIA - Siam
SIC - Two Sicilies
SIE - Siebenbürgen
SIK - Sikkim
SIN - Sind
SLO - Slovenia
SLV - Slovakia
SOK - Sokoto
SPA - Spain@
SWE - Sweden
SWI - Switzerland
TEX - Texas
TIB - Tibet
TRA - Travancore
TRE - Trieste
TRI - Tripoli
TRN - Transvaal
TUN - Tunis
TUR - Ottoman Empire
TUS - Tuscany
UCA - United States of Central America
UKR - Ukraine
URU - Uruguay ^
USA - USA@
VEN - Venice
VIE - Wiang Chhan
VNZ - Venezuela ^
WAL - Wallachia
WEI - Saxe-Weimar
WLL - Wallonia
WUR - Württemberg
ZAN - Zanzibar
ZUL - Zulu^
 
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Why isnt there a number for "tank" units?
 

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Hmmm... This is it? Nobody is working on finishing it? This downloadable version has something wrong with it besides the California infantry units with quotation marks... I cant get the greek names to work (although the Japanese ones do, so its not something in alphabetical order).

found one problem: under Belgium, a ship (cant remember which exactly) has a ':' instead of a ';' before its name... starts with an "R".
 
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Already told the topic starter about this months ago, but seems he doesn't care anymore.

Indeed it's a pity that nobody continues the work on it, some majors still have no own unit names.
 

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Ludi said:
Already told the topic starter about this months ago, but seems he doesn't care anymore.

Indeed it's a pity that nobody continues the work on it, some majors still have no own unit names.
Guinnesmonkey would care, if only he could be around. I don't know what he would like to do with this, but I doubt he'd mind if others continued the work.

If somebody feels like it, please look what and how has been done and start from there. And as previous discussions of the names in the discussions thread and this one just to gather up the changes. Naturally you can't update the file at GM's post, but another can be hosted in the upload forum.

Please keep it so, that when he returns he'll see what has been done easily and won't get upset at me for this post or at you from what has been done;)
 

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I've got a HUGE list of historical ships that I use for my own games. And I have been researching foriegn languages to put in more flavor.

I don't use the unitnames.csv because it contains some errors. (Just a minor gripe).

But I am willing to share my massive ship list. Just someone tell me where to put it? And also is there a limit to size of a post? (Some of my lists are REALLY long)?
 

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Please email me your ship list. Even if someone else contacted you, Ive been working on my own version of the unitnames.csv for a few months now (slowly doing research). I will post my file in a few days and then others can critique it. email: reziztor@yahoo.com
 

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Please email me your ship list. Even if someone else contacted you, Ive been working on my own version of the unitnames.csv for a few months now (slowly doing research). I will post my file in a few days and then others can critique it. email: reziztor@yahoo.com
Finally! Some responded to me. Email ahoy matey. :D
 

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Ok, if someone wants to complete that file.

All German (non Austrian) land units should be using either of these formats.

1. Infanterie-Division
or
1. Infanterie Division

I'm not sure where Paradox got the idea from that unit names are single words in German, they aren't.

So German Division types are:

1. Infanterie-Division (Verbande und Truppen uses the -, so we might as well).
1. Kavallerie-Division
1. Kavallerie-Divison (yes, use that for dragoons as well)
1. Landwehr-Division (for Militia)

French Division types are:

1ère Division d'Infanterie
2ème (ère for the first, ème for all the rest)

1ère Division de Cavalerie (same numbering system)
1ère Divison de Cavalerie (again no need for distinct names for dragoons)
1ère Division de Garde Nationaux (for Militia)

(One could also use abreviations for more detail (DI is metropolitan Infantry, DC colonial Infantry (African) DIA is algerian Infantry, DIM marrocan (but also some mountain units), DI NA north african (or should that be AN, would have to check) etc. But then I expect one woudl have to use exact numbering (like 82 DI NA, 9 DC etc. Likewise actual British division numbers, names inclusive could be used (1-8 are regular army, Guards is also regular, all higher numbers were either unfilled, new army, territorial (allways with name, example 51st Infantry Division "Highland", 53rd Infantry Division "Welsh" etc.) or special cases).

Australian and New Zealand (not sure they even exist in Victoria) would be
1st Infantry Division (don't have to explain number system I expect)
1st Cavalry Division
1st Mounted Rifles Division
1st Milicia Division (actually not sure about that, they might be numbered in with the regulars)

Britain uses the same system just Yeomanry instead of Mounted Rifles (Territorials in game terms are not distinguishable from regulars, so don't use that term for Milicia)

Canada would use the same system as the Australians I expect (definitelly Militia for them)

For Luxembourg I have to take the ship names as a joke. Actually I have to take any units numbered above 1 as a joke;-) If Luxembourg had indeed at any time managed to build ships it would have used the names of former sovereigns I expect.

Last note, quite a few armies might do well if their guard formations were listed as well, even if just for flavour.

Maybe I will try to build up a complete list of designations sometime, but I ain't sure I have the time.

Marc aka Caran...

P.S.: Adding the term Spahi for French, North African cavalry (dragoon type usually), Goums for North African irregulars, Tirailleurs (du Senégal for instance) or Zouaves for other Colonial units. And then there are the different Legion Etrangère names, the Alpine Troops (Division de Chasseurs Alpins, etc. which unfortunatelly don't have their own class in Victoria).
 

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OK, I am almost done. I have saved the hardest for last: France & England.

The fact that this game does not use regiments throws a severe wrench into the machine. Divisions are really a WWI type organization... And I have used a lot of the "Great War" HoI Mod names for this list.

The shiplist has been a great addition.

And Marc, is it wise to use "yeomanry" for Dragoons? My understanding of Yeomanry was that they volunteered as Home Guards/Territorials. I always imagined Dragoons as quasi-elite mounted infantry. I know that England still has "dragoon" and "lancer" regiments... And since England has never actually build a "dragoon division" (I dont think any nation has really). Maybe we should just use Dragoons?

Some other notes:

I took out the call-signs for Naval ships (such as USS, HMAS, SMS, CSS). Because really, if you are Germany or England and you institute a communist government you would not still call your ships "His Magesty". I think those call signs are too dependant on the governments of real life. What of a USA that becomes a monarchy?

For the minor German states I prefer to build their lists as though Germany will be created. Therefore I name them "Anhaltisches Infanterie" and "Kgl. Bayer. Kavallerie" because this is what the united German Army dubbed them when they became incorporated into the Prussian military. It adds a little flavour too instead of a giant mass of "infanterie-dvisions".

I am contemplating eliminating as many of the labels of "Division" as I can. They take up precious space that could be used for flavour and since every unit must be a division, it seems redundant. What do you think?
 

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For the minor German states I prefer to build their lists as though Germany will be created. Therefore I name them "Anhaltisches Infanterie" and "Kgl. Bayer. Kavallerie" because this is what the united German Army dubbed them when they became incorporated into the Prussian military. It adds a little flavour too instead of a giant mass of "infanterie-dvisions".
This is a great idea. I did something similar with my list 'Infanterie-Division (BAY)'. But your idea sounds a lot better.

Kvlt 45 said:
I am contemplating eliminating as many of the labels of "Division" as I can. They take up precious space that could be used for flavour and since every unit must be a division, it seems redundant. What do you think?
This one it doesn't really matter I think. If there is space for 'division' just leave it in. Unless its a really long name like 'Her Majesty's Royal House Guards Mounted on Llamas Division' or something. :)
 

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As to dragoons. Game dragoons represent the original concept. A dragoon is a mounted infantryman. Sometime in the late 18th or early 19th century this term changed for most countries. So in effect for most countries in Victoria, dragoons had turned into heavy cavalry (trained like cuirassiers or carabiniers but generally without armour). One important exception is the US whose dragoons were indeed mounted infantry. In my opinion, Victoria should have made cavalry and dragoon a single class, and allowed upgrades like HOI (or two classes which could up- or down-grade to one another). During WWI for instance, the entire German cavalry converted to mounted infantry (from sabber to carabine essentially). In some cases that was again reverted as it was found that some former roles of cavalry could not be fulfilled (chargeing into a breach, some mounted rifles tried it and in most cases it ended up in catastrophy, later in teh war many units got their sabbers back to use in times of need).

Anyhow, the British mounted infantry units were Yeomanry. As much as I recall, several Yeomanry divisions were raised, though I'm not sure they served abroad (I think one at least served in the Middle East) (the British definitelly converted their cavalry twice in WWI). The term dragoon would certainly be inapropriate for those units. Alternatively I guess, the British could also use the term mounted rifles like the ANZAC. Finding out the South African terms might solve this problem (they were famous for their mounted infantry, even more so then the ANZAC).

I will try and look this up some more. The HOI oob for teh British would work as a top gap function in Victoria. But in the end, all the New Army formations must be missing from that file (during WWI Britain fielded 3 to 4 types of units, Regular Army (RA), Territorial Army (1st and 2nd Line TA, all those named divisions) and New Army (NA, also named Kitchener's Army). The last category was dropped in WWII as it was decided this was too costly, some of their numbers were neverless used in WWII.

And yes, I also have to base most of this on WWI sources. While divisions were used before this conflict, I have no order of battle data between 1815 and 1914 simply because those conflicts are less well documented (for the general public) (British RA divisons were directly descended from the Napoleonic war units).

Marc aka Caran...

P.S.: I should have mostly complete name lists for WWI Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Britain (including South Africa and India), Germany (including all the small states), Austria-Hungary, Belgium and many of the Balkan states. From various wargames I could also extrapolate other armies (Russian etc.). Actually I remember I should also have the US army. I just ain't certain where all of the material is right now.
 

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As an addition to my previous posts. I found all or most of my WWI oob material now. I already see that some of my previous notes are not entirely correct.

For instance, ANZAC mounted units were named: ANZAC Mounted Division, Australian Mounted Division and Yeomanry Division respectively (the later might actually be a British unit). Also British 2nd Line Territorials used different numbers then in WWII (the numbers 9 through 41 were all New Army). So copying the HOI system for them simply won't work.

I will try and post various countries' WWI nomenclatura tonight. Whether they should be included as such in the Victoria unitnames file is another question. To me, Victoria is largely a buildup for the Great War, in the early phase of the game most countries don't have large active armies. So for me at least WWI numbers and names work well.

Marc aka Caran...
 

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WWI Commonwealth Divisions

Bellow is a listing of Commonwealth Divisions active during the Great War. Where a unit type does not exist for a given country, or not sufficient numbers exist, the same format should be used as for other CW nations but with fictional numbering and possibly a * at the end to denote their fictional status. It might also be realistic to list existing Cavalry and Dragoon divisions in both lists (Cav first then Dragoon in Cav list and vice versa) as those often underwent reorganisation during the conflict.

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Commonwealth:

Australia;

1st through 5th Australian Divisions (AIF)
1st New Zealand Division (NZEF)

ANZAC Mounted Division (AIF & NZEF)
Australian Mounted Division (AIF)
Yeomanry Mounted Division

All of those units served abroad. More units would have existed in Australia and New Zealand, additional ones might also have been raised. All of those would be in the number succession but without the AIF or NZEF designations.


Canada;

1st through 5th Canadian Divisions (CEF)

Canadian Mounted Division (CEF) (this unit is fictional, but the forces to form it existed)

Like Australia and New Zealand, the above units are those that served abroad. Additional units existed in Canada or could have been raised (apparently it was a decision to keep only 4 of the huge (they are truly square divisions with 16 line battalions) CEF divisions (5th was disbanded later) instead of forming additional, smaller units as most other Nations chose to do).

Great Britain and the Commonwealth (India and South Africa);

1st through 8th Division (RA)
Guards Division (RA)
Royal Navy Division (note: RN and RM personnel trained and used as infantry, later renamed)
1st through 9th Indian Divisions (note: names listed bellow)
Burma Division
42nd through 56th Divisions (TA) (note: I will have to check their names yet, probably identical to WWII)
9th through 14th Divisions (NA)
57th through 69th Divisions (TA) (note: not sure I have their names, not identical to WWII)
15th through 20th Division (NA)
21st through 26th Divisions (NA)
27th through 29th Divisions (RA)
30th through 35th Divisions (NA)
36th ‘Ulster’ Division (NA)
37th through 41st Divisions (NA)
71st through 73rd Divisions (Home Service)
74th and 75th Yeomanry Divisions (dismounted)

1st through 5th Cavalry Divisions
4th & 5th Indian Cavalry Divisions (note: not sure whether other divisions existed)

? through ? Mounted Divisions (note: I can confirm they existed and were formed from Yeomanry Regiments, no idea how many though, I’d estimate 5)

Use the above order despite numerology. It is unlikely that more units could have been formed, but if so numbers above 75 could be used. I did not list South African forces. Probably there should be a 1st & 2nd ACF Mounted Division and maybe a fictional 1st South African Division (SAEF) (note: one brigade actually existed, serving in Egypt).

Unit names as far as I know them and haven’t listed them yet.
Indian; 1st Div. “Peshawar’, 2nd Div. ‘Rawalpindi’, 3rd Div. ‘Lahore’, 4th Div. ‘Quetta’, 5th Div. ‘Mhow’, 6th Div. ‘Poona’, 7th Div. ‘Meerut’, 8th Div. ‘Lucknow’, 9th Div. ‘Secunderabad’, 4th Cav. ‘Secunderabad’, 5th Cav. ‘Sialkot’.
British; I will add these later.

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I will try and complete the British name list (most from WWII names which I have, otehrs I will try a websearch on) tommorrow. I can after that look up other orders of battle and naming systems.

Marc aka Caran...
 

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Alright, Ive got one thats HUGE. And I keep adding to it. This morning I slipped in the NGF and SGF. I do have one question that perplexes me... Would the Swiss unit names be in French or German? I suppose both... but which would be prefered?
 

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Kvlt 45 said:
Alright, Ive got one thats HUGE. And I keep adding to it. This morning I slipped in the NGF and SGF. I do have one question that perplexes me... Would the Swiss unit names be in French or German? I suppose both... but which would be prefered?
German. The number of native german speakers in Switzerland is more than twice the number of native french speakers.