Uniting HRE too easy, too fast

[unmerged(128725)]

Personally I prefer staying moderately small and having an army of vassals. Controlling the world and yet not controlling the world so to speak.

Bah, an austrian in disguise.

 

[elbasto]

Try doing the same as Byzantium.

 

[Grakl]

I'm having a helluva time with patched HTTT. Started as Bohemia, stayed small and only attacked when getting conquest or reconquest CBs. Unfortunately it can still turn you in to a backstabber. I was also unaware that taking a province with the Imperial Ban CB gave you a core. I just kept releasing HRE members. The problem arises if you can't get all reforms finished by 1500. Prepare to watch your imperial authority plummet incessantly as half the members become heretics. Not to mention almost all the HRE are now my vassal means there's no one to release and no one dares attack any HRE member.

It seems to pretty much be a race. Don't get me wrong, I'm feeling more powerful with 1001 vassals than having to maintain it all myself I took on an enormous blob Lithuania without ever setting foot outside my borders. Cut them up in 1 war till they only had 4 provinces left.

 

[lazysunside]

What if I, as Russia, influenced events in the HRE so that the empire forms?

Play as Ming then convert to Christian and form HRE it would be wicked. Imma start playing Ming now >

 

[unmerged(181085)]

Have any of you considered that he was trying to spell WTF, but instead of putting a W he put a Q since they are close on the QWERTY keyboard? :rofl:

 

[anomanderus]

I'm having a helluva time with patched HTTT. Started as Bohemia, stayed small and only attacked when getting conquest or reconquest CBs. Unfortunately it can still turn you in to a backstabber. I was also unaware that taking a province with the Imperial Ban CB gave you a core. I just kept releasing HRE members. The problem arises if you can't get all reforms finished by 1500. Prepare to watch your imperial authority plummet incessantly as half the members become heretics. Not to mention almost all the HRE are now my vassal means there's no one to release and no one dares attack any HRE member.

It seems to pretty much be a race. Don't get me wrong, I'm feeling more powerful with 1001 vassals than having to maintain it all myself I took on an enormous blob Lithuania without ever setting foot outside my borders. Cut them up in 1 war till they only had 4 provinces left.

? It's not supposed to be a race, the Reformation gives the emperor mondo authority once he goes under 0%, because then you can't lose anymore and can only gain. You made the mistake of rushing the Diets.

 

[unmerged(11600)]

Prepare to watch your imperial authority plummet incessantly as half the members become heretics.

Or convert yourself and gain Authority everytime you enforce religious unity.

-Pat

 

[cpteveros]

Or convert yourself and gain Authority everytime you enforce religious unity.

This.

 

[Trebond]

Play as Ming then convert to Christian and form HRE it would be wicked. Imma start playing Ming now >

I'm atm. trying to do this, but how do you get the chance to convert to catholic?
Do you need to do it the same way as whit Cultur shift:
Get a province whit catholic as a religion, get it as a core, and then make it to capital?

 

[Grakl]

I was unaware I could enforce religious unity, but taking the advice I spent some time working on that. After a few conversions and more heretics a spark of insight hit me. I proceeded to "Create Vassal" on a bunch of OPM I had acquired through subjugation + annexation missions. Each release fired a "Prince is Restored" event. I easily made 50 auth after that and honestly, it felt kind of cheap (ok, incredibly cheap) considering I could release them for +10 auth, vote in the last reform, and *BAM* they're mine again. Anyways, good stuff. I'm intrigued by everyone else's suggestion that you can become HRE though a non-traditional member, sounds like a new project!

 

[unmerged(73269)]

I My income, manpower and force limits are completely off the charts.

The charts auto-scale, so this is not possible.

Maybe it's because I played a lot of Magna Mundi before this, but this HttT game made me feel like it was all handed to me, while in Magna Mundi, every piece of land was hard-gained.

To replicate the Magna Mundi experience, stab yourself in the eye with a spork every time you gain a province.

OK, eyespork, and then sprinkle the wound with salt.

OK, maybe eyespork, sprinkle the wound with salt, and stuff a rabid starving wolverine down your pants.

You have to admit, it makes for a more realistic and challenging game. [1]

I'm feeling like just abandonning this game. Unless anyone knows a way to make the current one more challenging? Or perhaps how I can make future ones more so?

For the current game, switch to France and try to conquer your HRE. For more challenge, do it with Denmark. Or Mali.

For future games, patch up and/or use the latest MM.

[1] Actually likes Magna Mundi. Also has an eyespork.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

I'm atm. trying to do this, but how do you get the chance to convert to catholic?
Do you need to do it the same way as whit Cultur shift:
Get a province whit catholic as a religion, get it as a core, and then make it to capital?

Get a catholic province, put a missionary there, wait for a religious revolt, give in to the rebels, and congratulations! You're a catholic now!

 

[NapoleonI]

Get a catholic province, put a missionary there, wait for a religious revolt, give in to the rebels, and congratulations! You're a catholic now!

Ming can never become Catholic since changing from one religious group to another is not possible. As Ming you can change to Hindu, Buddhist or Shinto since they are all in the same group as Confucianism.

 

[Xnaop]

Regarding how to get imperial authority if no one dares attack an HRE member state:

You get imperial authority if you successfully beat an aggressor, not merely if you successfully beat an aggressor against an HRE member state.

So, just start guaranteeing everybody and their mother. In particular, I have found that European colonial powers cannot stop themselves from declaring war on the Creek; the fact that I have guaranteed the Creek, and the fact that my army and navy are humongous and undefeated, does not stop them.

Similarly, once (say) England declares war on the Creek (or whoever), and you thrash them, make them release nations. Do not make them give up cores. They can't help themselves from attacking Wales and Northumberland (who are your allies due to you having forced their release).

 

[Xnaop]

Ming can never become Catholic since changing from one religious group to another is not possible. As Ming you can change to Hindu, Buddhist or Shinto since they are all in the same group as Confucianism.

I've never done anything like this, so I might have this a little (or a lot) wrong, but wouldn't something like the following work?

1. Lose a province to a Catholic power.
2. Wait for that province to be converted to Catholicism.
3. Gain that province back.
4. Move your capital to that province.
5. Let religious zealots conquer your nation.

 

[NapoleonI]

I've never done anything like this, so I might have this a little (or a lot) wrong, but wouldn't something like the following work?

1. Lose a province to a Catholic power.
2. Wait for that province to be converted to Catholicism.
3. Gain that province back.
4. Move your capital to that province.
5. Let religious zealots conquer your nation.

No. That won’t make you change from one religious group to another.

 

[Xnaop]

OK, then how about:

1. Conquer a province in the HRE.
2. Move your capital to that province (which would make you a member state of the HRE, right?).
3. Wait for the (Catholic) Emperor to enforce religious unity on you.

 

[WankoStankins]

I had the same problem in the vanilla version of httt. I had the Holy Roman Empire formed by austria thanks to a string of lucky casus belli/inheritances in 1460 and didn't really know what to do. Sure I could completely annhilate france and take over mainland europe, but whats the point? Too easy, play magna mundi

 

[Sovetskysoyuz]

Ming can never become Catholic since changing from one religious group to another is not possible. As Ming you can change to Hindu, Buddhist or Shinto since they are all in the same group as Confucianism.

Korea found a way to do it in this game, so clearly it's possible. I think it involved conquering part of SE Asia, losing all their homeland (such that all their remaining possessions were Sunni), then reconquering their homeland.

Also,

OK, then how about:
Conquer a province in the HRE.
Move your capital to that province (which would make you a member state of the HRE, right?).
Wait for the (Catholic) Emperor to enforce religious unity on you.

Wouldn't that completely destroy your economy, since now all of China is overseas suddenly? On the other hand, any plan that involves the Ming becoming an HRE member state (before 1650, otherwise Enforce Religious Unity expires), and potentially influencing the elections to ensure that the emperor is Catholic, is highly awesome in my book.

 

[PirateJack]

You can't move your capital directly in to the HRE.