"United States" instead of USA
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Old Joe said:NAUS
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North-American United States
Poor United States of Mexico. People are foregetting that they are North American, too.
mexico just one, but there are two americas, and both are continents btw, not countriesDuuk said:Poor United States of Mexico. People are foregetting that they are North American, too.
USNA if that way
the U and the S is fine but will there be an A?
I prefer the United States because there may be a good chance that "Amerigo" Vespucci may never appear so there would be no A in USA.
I prefer the United States because there may be a good chance that "Amerigo" Vespucci may never appear so there would be no A in USA.
In France we call it "Etats-Unis" (United States), and we call unitedstatesians "américains" (americans) or "états-uniens" (unitedstatesians).
I think it would be better to call it USCNA (United States of Central Northern America)
I think it would be better to call it USCNA (United States of Central Northern America)
Rubbish.
United States is fine
USA isn't very good; "Former Colonies" would work, though
United States is fine
USA isn't very good; "Former Colonies" would work, though
I would go for United States instead of USA for the same reasons stated here before. It's all about making the game convenient and plausible. I don't think anyone would get confused when they see United States in the game.
If we want to nitpick, even though Mamluks of Egypt called their country "Turkey" it was common to call Ottoman Empire as the Turkish Empire as it appeared on European maps back then (Just like people call Eastern Roman Empire as Byzantium today, while in the west it was simply called the Greek Empire in the days).
If we want to nitpick, even though Mamluks of Egypt called their country "Turkey" it was common to call Ottoman Empire as the Turkish Empire as it appeared on European maps back then (Just like people call Eastern Roman Empire as Byzantium today, while in the west it was simply called the Greek Empire in the days).
It would take a maximum of 20 seconds to mod the name I guess. Everyone can have it their way.
Pandemonium said:It would take a maximum of 20 seconds to mod the name I guess. Everyone can have it their way.
That is a terrible excuse...doing things wrong and saying it's no problem because every player can change it to whatever wacky way they like every time they install the game.
I demand the rightful name: The Really Neat Democratic-Republic-Thing That's Better Than Those Euroweenies.
Rocketman said:
I think far too many peopel are confussing SPOKEN language to written Language. When I visit "the States" as many Canadians call it, I see U.S.A. all over the place. I rarely see a t-shirt or a bumper sticker that say US or U.S. of A. But I see U.S.A. Written forms can often be different from the spoken and while I will admit that people in the US dont SAY USA they do Write USA on a lot of things. Do you not have a national newspaper called USA today? So again if your OWN people use USA why get paradox to change it?
Reveilled said:
And I find it a tad nasasitic that you say there is no confusion possible because you are not confussed. As a primary english speaker you shouldnt get confussed. However Johan said people do get confussed and I imagine he deals with a lot more non-english speaking europeans who use english as a second, third or forth language more than most english as a first language speaskers posting on this thread combined. So simply because some people have a SUBJECTIVE opinion that they dont like it its not enough in my opinion to inconvience a core group of paradox's consumers, especially since thier own nation uses USA in its written form. I challenge anyone to tell me that USA isnt used as a correct and common way to refer to the United States of America in its written form. You dont get more mainstream than a national daily newspaper and they use USA in thier own name. I dont mean to sound hostile here but you can't simple ignore that people can and do get confussed when playing the game between other nations with the term United States simply because you are not confussed.
I wonder that the thread I want Spain preselected in 1776 has twice the number of reads as this American thread... Spain being the "big man" in 1776 seems to trump USA.
["USA" is indeed written sometimes and is chanted in international sports - but is rarely spoken day-to-day as mentioned by many fellow yanks...]
["USA" is indeed written sometimes and is chanted in international sports - but is rarely spoken day-to-day as mentioned by many fellow yanks...
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Belissarius said:
So I assume if you can authoritatively state that "people can and do get confussed" by the term United States, you can provide an example of a European Language which uses United States to refer to a country other than the USA?
I can't find one. There are a couple that don't call the country the United States, but there don't seem to be any other countries in those languages (Danish, Latvian and Czech) called "United States".
Dutch: Verenigde Staten (United States)
Estonian: Ameerika Ühendriigid (United States)
Finnish: Yhdysvallat (United States)
French: États-Unis (United States)
German: Vereinigte Staaten (United States)
Greek: Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες (United States)
Hungarian: Egyesült Államok (United States)
Italian: Stati Uniti (United States)
Lithuanian: Savienotās Valstis (United States)
Maltese: Stati Uniti (United States)
Portuguese: Estados Unidos (United States)
Spanish: Estados Unidos (United States)
Slovakian: Spojené štáty (United States)
Slovenian: Združene države (United States)
Swedish: Förenta staterna (United States)
Polish: Stany Zjednoczone (United States)
Of the 20 official languages of the EU, a grand total of three use something other than "United States" to refer to the United States of America, and one of them doesn't use "USA" (which the other two do), and as such speakers of Latvian would be as confused by that term as "United States".
And all together, the native speakers of these languages make up over 80% of the population of the EU. If anything, using something other than United States would be confusing to people.
There's prolly some EEUU thing going on here. The EU (European Union) trumped the prior French/Spanish abbreviation for US(A) of EU, so the US(A) abbreviation (hang in with me, here!) was changed from EU to EEUU...Reveilled said:
That said, having a country named the "United States" might create critical mass in the internal logic of the composition of the EU (not EEUU nor of the US(A))...
Or something... whatever...
[did I mention Turkey and Cyprus and other bits... ?]
Reveilled said:
And I suppose then that you beleive that Johan simply lied that it is too confussing? That he made up the idea that people could make a mistake? What possible benifit would it get him to do so? HE could have just ignored the thread and kept things as there are but he tried to explain and now you challenge me to prove to you that its possible for the confussion to arise? That the mental exersice of imagining a non native english speaker might get confussed is simply what? Impossible?
Let me explain yet again. The words united states and united provinces in english mean the same thing. The words United Provinces and United States mean two seperate things. Yet these four words are the same in both senteces. You as a native english speaker can Instantly make the distiction between United and united as well as States and states. Yet the words are only distiguished by their capital leters which in english represent proper names. So some one reading English who thinks in a different language could very easily get confused with United States and United Provinces.
I can not beleive that you are incapable of grasping that the word state and province have the same meaning. I cant beleive that you are incapable of seeing how someone reading the English word United States might think it was United Provences when they translated the words. Not because the words LOOK similar but because the meaning of the words state and province are the same. Its the confusion over the words provinces and states.
Reading a language you dont think in is not easy to do and its not unfathamable that they could find something confusing that native speaker dont. They see the word United the think United in english what does that mean in my language? Oh right. States what does that mean in my language? And they could come to the exact same conclusion if the read this... United in english what does that mean in my language? Provinces what does that mean in my language? The confusion starts in the internal translation of the words that many people do when they speak/read a language but dont think in that language.
So that is how someone could read the english words United States and get confussed. They wouldnt get confussed if they read the name of the united states in their own language but they are not reading it in their own language.
Belissarius said:
He simply knows something we do not know
Maybe the provinces in America will be called 'states' (like in Vicky) ?? And maybe there will be possibility to unite them somehow (to resemble Revolutionary War better) ?? This could be explanation of that.
not really. Latvian, being really close to Lithuanian, also has "(Amerikas) Savienotās Valstis," it's just easier to call it "Amerika"
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