Well, on the flip side, it destroyed kingdom titles so dynastic renown gain went down. Depending on how useful renown actually is, this may or may not be a big bother.
- 4
- 2
'Unite the Spanish Thrones' decision is too easy to pass/too strong
- Thread starter gianlucad
- Start date
-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
Seems weird you would be uniting Spain 400 years before you would do in EU4. There were a lot of reasons Spain was split for such a long time.
- 3
- 2
Well, the father of the 1066 Iberian kings, Ferdinand I (also called "the Great"), actually held his sons' crowns in his lifetime. In 1988, Bernard F. Reilly wrote that "[t]he internal consolidation of the realm of León–Castilla under Fernando el Magno and [his queen] Sancha (1037–1065) is a history that remains to be researched and written." (taken from wiki) But, I agree: renaming the title to something related to their father makes it more appropriate.
- 1
I'm pretty sure the decision is actually meant to represent the union under the Crownlands of Castile (hence the CoA changing to the lions and castles) and not "The King of the Spains". Spain as we know it in game terms would more likely just be forming the Empire of Hispania.
Last edited:
- 7
At the very least, it's more valuable than personal renown was in CK2. You can use it to unlock some very strong perks that will benefit you for the entire length of the game, and I believe it can also be used to make certain power plays within your dynasty? I could be misremembering on that one.
And without actively giving up the power the decision gives you, it could stay split even if you unite it...
- 3
It does, he's saying it might be that it's more than just the crown of castile that can be absorbed into this but I'm unsure until we get a hold of the game
Check it again, there was a 110% strength lower crown authority/independence faction just before they lowered it
It depends what Spanish means, and I feel its just the 3 they used, Barcelona is a mere duchy and de jure aquitaine at game start as well no, so wouldn't be affected?
- 1
You can also get a union of France and Spain in ck2 far earlier than almost happened in eu4. You can keep the angevin empire together in almost eternity as well as gifting the duchies of Normandy, aquitaine, and Brittany to others to rule, without them offering homage to the French King and breaking free of you. You can proclaim yourself Emperor of all Spain and everyone takes your claim seriously because you did the custom empire decision
CK often struggles to show hardships of why things didn't happen as they did irl
- 5
No, the merging of courts would literally mean destroying both titles and creating a new de jure title called Castille-León that holds both titles' de jure land (plus some more land they had conquered along the way).
Because that's what happened in history in 1230, a union of two crowns =/= the merging of two crowns. You don't even need to have Gavelkind, according to the 1230s union both crowns were now indivisible from each other, however in CK2 if you have agnatic primogeniture in León and agnatic-cognatic Primogeniture in Castille the crowns could be given to different people (a female heir in Castille and a male heir in León), so CK2 would diverge from actual history.
no, in fact, between 914 and 1065 the three kingdoms remained united as three different entities until Fernando I decided to partition his kingdom through his sons in his will so you could argue the kingdoms were already set as primogeniture even before the split. As for Galicia, it did cease to exist legally even before the creation of Castille-Leon
Why are you annoyed from something that would have happened had the Duke of Portucale not proclaimed himself as king of Portugal after taking Lisbon?
why don't you just become Emperor of Spain then?
one of them being that nobody could conquer all Kingdoms in Iberia, if they could (or had a well placed royal marriage like in 1469 and 1580) they would proclaim a unified spain as soon as possible
- 2
Because I'd rather see something that remotely resembles what I actually recognize than Badajoz all game? It has an ugly color and flag.
i dont see how spanish kings having that decision is anymore OP than just starting your game as say the byzantine emperor or the king of france as far as we know the tech to unlock max crown authority might be relatively early in the tech tree. Balance between all the nations has never really been a priority in CK
- 4
- 1
Great, so let's ensure that *nothing* that is a non-historic, but plausible title ever forms?
Let's make sure that nothing can have an alternate flag, or have an empire form that holds the "wrong" land and is based of the "wrong" kingdom flag.
So, for example we can force Austria to always form, instead of its place being taken by Styria or Carinthia.
Let's not have the possibility for the Pope to be driven out of Italy, and for Romagna to replace the Papal states, just because you "don't recognise" them?
- 4
- 3
You do realize there's a middle ground between ahistorical title never forming and always forming, right?
- 3
Oh please. I like non-historical things happening in the game. Saying I would *like* to see something happen more often is not saying I want everything to turn out exactly like reality 100% of the time. I don't particularly care if most things mirror reality exactly. This bothers me in particular because I've been stuck as a kingdom wanting to form Portugal because it would be more fun to me than being Lusitania, but I haven't been able to because I need to be a duke and I can't demote myself. As it is I hardly ever see any titular kingdoms form in Iberia at all. Their existence should bring about *more* diversity in outcomes, but it doesn't. There is room for outcomes that aren't just 100% loopy alt-hist where many historical outcomes are extremely rare and 100% exactly what happened in reality.
Last edited:
- 1
- 1
But this wouldn't make sense from the character's perspective, he's already a king why would he want to create another kingdom for... reasons?
- 1
It wasn't unlockable yet in the stream and they commented as much
I can literally rename my kingdom of Lusitania to Portugal with the tools the game provides me. I just can't fix the color and flag. I don't know what difference being able to claim it and destroy Lusitania makes.
- 2
I like RP, but there are other titles you can form, swap and destroy your old kingdoms with fairly easily, so I don't see why not.
- 1
do you want to be the King of Portugal or the King of the region that the player recognizes to be Portugal? because i'd rather have my RP Portuguese fun from being the duke of Portucale that proclaimed himself king of Portugal than some random dude that thought Portugal sounded better than Lusitania
- 1