Alex also mentioned in the stream that they could have held off and got more titles before clicking the decision.
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'Unite the Spanish Thrones' decision is too easy to pass/too strong
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Alex also mentioned in the stream that they could have held off and got more titles before clicking the decision.
Nah, I love that there is such a decision. Although absolute crown authority is a bit strong perhaps? Then again, what were the streamers thinking lowering it? That's just stupid.
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What I said is that they are a reward for a certain playstyle - map painting. You don't "happen" to hold enough lands to form an empire - you do because you're map painting.
I'm not saying that this playstyle is bad, but that's just how it is.
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One could easily "happen" to end up with enough land to form an empire through succession. The term "map painting" has connotations of conquest and warmongering, however increasing the amount of land you hold isn't necessarily "map painting"
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No.
I have usually found myself able to form an empire because I'm securing my borders and absorbing minor lords of my, or an allied culture. Or alternatively I've been playing in a religion with relatively concentrated holy sites, and obtained enough land to form the empire as part of obtaining those sites for a reformation.
I would not consider this to be map painting in either case, especially in cases where I'm generally sticking to my culture and "natural" borders.
I've also been able to form custom empires with *really* weird borders due to inheritances (Ireland-Lithuania-Italy-Jerusalem-Portugal in one case), but that's *probably* a different case.
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I physically could not continue playing a game with those kinds of borders.
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I *could* have formed the empire. I didn't for assorted reasons, but I *was* considering it, and then having a few wars to connect it all back up.I physically could not continue playing a game with those kinds of borders.
But I lost some of it to tanistry succession electing different kings instead.
But yes, that's one of the weirdest border sets I've ever seen in my games.
What you say is true, but you're wrong in the second half of your statement. Every time I've formed a kingdom as a duke, it's been incidental. Just as one example, when I started in Argyll, the only reason I formed Ireland was because I was taking territory from my brother, who kept trying to take Argyll, so he couldn't levy forces against me anymore. I snapped up counties he didn't have in order to rival his numbers, then waged bitter wars across several decades to finally absorb enough of his territory to vassalize him. Then, wouldn't you know it, I happened to have the dominion necessary to form Ireland!
This is how it always goes for me. I never set out to paint the map. I take territory either because I'm being proactive in my defense against a rival (strengthening myself while weakening them by taking counties), I want a specific region (usually for its defensible terrain, when my borders are on open ground), or because I've married into it. Therefore, when I acquire the lands to form a new title, I've done so incidentally.
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Succession often plays a big role in "happening" to get enough land. I have gotten a county on the east border of the map while playing France simply because I married some Chinese princesses into the realm and eventually one of the dukes ended up with the right succession that suddenly I had a county in the middle of nowhere. The funny thing was that although it was way too far away to ever defend, I never lost it even after around 300 or more years. Even the Mongols left it alone although they took counties around it.
I also ended up suddenly getting Arabia, though I had no clue that it was ever a possibility. I ended up with part of Egypt due to a crusade where I put a family member in charge and they ended up later coming under my French empire through no attempt of mine.
And then there are the vassal wars. I have gotten as much or more territory thanks to my vassals fighting wars than what I've got through my own actions. Thankfully those wars have usually kept my borders mostly solid, but I have occasionally had to go to war just to fill in gaps left by their wars.
I also ended up suddenly getting Arabia, though I had no clue that it was ever a possibility. I ended up with part of Egypt due to a crusade where I put a family member in charge and they ended up later coming under my French empire through no attempt of mine.
And then there are the vassal wars. I have gotten as much or more territory thanks to my vassals fighting wars than what I've got through my own actions. Thankfully those wars have usually kept my borders mostly solid, but I have occasionally had to go to war just to fill in gaps left by their wars.
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Ayyy Sicily-Africa-England says hi, de hauteville fun when the king of England went cathar or waldensian, and crusade for Africa
They lowered it because they were low on gold so wouldn't be able to hire mercs probably so would've lost the civil warNah, I love that there is such a decision.
They did, but they could not be understanding their own game mechanics as sometimes I'm unsure if they're playing dumb for the audience or not.
Read the tooltip. It's been posted twice in the thread.
Unless there's some new definition of "spanish" that doesn't include Navarre, Aragon, or Barcelona, at least those would be integrated by the decision.
I'm not sure if the Andalusian titles would count or not, but I expect they would.
Actually, they lowered it due to their vassals being very unhappy. Granted, that does play a role in taxes, but it was more about their opinion than the taxes.
I don't think vassal opinion actually affects taxes anymore unless you're in Clan government. The feudal contract determines the amount of taxes and the vassal is bound to it unless they rebel.
But as you say, they decreased it because their vassals were getting upset and threatening to rebel. They probably could have kept it higher and dealt with the faction a different way, but their focus was foreign policy so they picked the most expedient option.
It wasn't overpowered, as we saw in the stream, there is an element of timing when taking this decision, as the highest level of Crown Authority carried some immense opinion hits and let to a massive faction and the outbreak of a civil war.
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The outbreak of civil war was more of the streamers not thinking very hard when they tried to revoke a kid vassal's title.
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Before that was strong faction and they change crown authority.
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Yeah, they did lower the the CA, but it didn't fully remove the faction. It was at 94% after the CA lowering iirc.
I believe it pertains only to titles you hold personally, independent Navarre or Muslim kingdoms wouldn't be destroyed.
I kinda agree that it's way too OP, though at the same time I understand if someone wants to have a bit of fun being OP in that way. Personally, I always limit myself with these kinds of decisions whenever I feel the time is right. Ideally, I'd unite the Spanish crowns only after conquering the whole of Iberia - or at least uniting all the Christian kingdoms in Spain under my person - , while already having a high enough crown authority, and then only with a prestigious, capable ruler. Only in this way I feel it makes sense for a ruler to take this decision.
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