Undocumented Changes in 1.23

[El_Cid_]

Is there a list of known issues with Persia Patch anywhere? I thought I saw one written by a mod a couple of days ago.

Anyway - I'm wondering if it's WAD that if you transfer ownership of a province to a vassal you cannot transfer it back to you again?

 

[Sfan]

It's not WAD, but it has been reported many times and the fix is in progress.

 

[El_Cid_]

It's not WAD, but it has been reported many times and the fix is in progress.

Cool - thanks.

As a workaround - I was able to transfer ownership to Hedjaz (Mamluk vassal) and they immediately gave it right back to me.
Might help someone.

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

Did tech progression change? Or was this in the patchnotes?

 

[CoolSpin]

Having played Austria, and testing some things with de console this is definitely not the case. The AI will never accept demands for unlawful territory. No matter how small they are and how large you are.

does this mean you can feed vassals non-core land without them returning it immediately?

 

[Moscovian]

Novgorod now supports independence of Muscovy's vassals, often allies Ryazan and always invites Odoyev to its trade league, all the above within the first month

Kazan won't ally Timurids anymore

 

[dunyayi kurtaran adam]

didnt heard this decision

I'm a big fan of the new army quality ledger.

I could have been done for more years ago.

 

[AnssiA]

Persia no longer seems to have cores anywhere.

 

[FleetingRain]

Are you playing as Mamluks? That's a new Mamluks government thing.

Checked with Castile - still costs 100 DIP. Guessing this is just for the Mamluks.

Welp, I imagined so, even though I saw nowhere in any tooltip this being mentioned.

 

[Carlos_RSL]

In my Tunis game i've started rivalled by Hungary and Burgundy, weird

 

[dunyayi kurtaran adam]

Here is the most epic undocumented change in 1.23, 6k AI army is escaping from 1K rebel army just because they're drilling lollllllll

By the way, there was a time in the game that your allies PU's can kill your rebels in your lands but now i don't see any junior of mine is taking care of rebels just appeared in my lands near of them. Id to see juniors are taking care of my rebels again.

 

[dunyayi kurtaran adam]

Great War actions and threaten war option is TOO HARD to make AI accept it NOW. I have 120K army with full force tech quality anything you want i have, but La Serrenisma Repubblica di Genoese with bunch of mediocre soldiers and a few weak alliances still don't give up on Caffa province surrounded by only Turks, i mean wherever you look, you only see the Turks. With the one word, i can kill all of people in the city yet the Doge of Genoa still doesn't give tuck for this. What a worst leader....

Also why would us break alliances which made by subjects? This needs a rework like the Paradox reworked uses of threaten war option on subjects. Also we should break not just alliances but the guarantees too.

 

[Zohtun]

Great War actions and threaten war option is TOO HARD to make AI accept it NOW. I have 120K army with full force tech quality anything you want i have, but La Serrenisma Repubblica di Genoese with bunch of mediocre soldiers and a few weak alliances still don't give up on Caffa province surrounded by only Turks, i mean wherever you look, you only see the Turks. With the one word, i can kill all of people in the city yet the Doge of Genoa still doesn't give tuck for this. What a worst leader....

Also why would us break alliances which made by subjects? This needs a rework like the Paradox reworked uses of threaten war option on subjects. Also we should break not just alliances but the guarantees too.

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Make sure you definitely have a CB on them. I had Delhi go from "NO I REFUSE" to obey my command to break an alliance to "Yes sir please don't hurt me sir" by simply fabricating a claim and gaining enough power to have them realise I'm a nation that when it says "Jump" you ask how high while midair. The malus of -50 for not having a CB on them is rough.

 

[dunyayi kurtaran adam]

Make sure you definitely have a CB on them. I had Delhi go from "NO I REFUSE" to obey my command to break an alliance to "Yes sir please don't hurt me sir" by simply fabricating a claim and gaining enough power to have them realise I'm a nation that when it says "Jump" you ask how high while midair. The malus of -50 for not having a CB on them is rough.

I have (had Conquer Caffa mission) and still they doesn't accept. This is obviously nerfed because that power of alliances modifier.

 

[dunyayi kurtaran adam]

Another undocumented change, overlords now don't change their subjects' religion anymore. Example, Ottomans don't convert Wallachia to Sunni anymore.

 

[Zohtun]

Another undocumented change, overlords now don't change their subjects' religion anymore. Example, Ottomans don't convert Wallachia to Sunni anymore.

To be fair it seems that the AI's ability to deal with any sort of underling seems to have snapped in a nasty bug. Look no further than the AI's inability to annex to see what I mean. Play a game and watch Russia. Left to its own devices it will totally form while still having the same 4 vassals it had at game-start as Muscovy.

 

[Sfan]

The integration bug is different from the change. I noticed it as well, GH is not forceconverting Ryazan anymore.

 

[Badesumofu]

AI can annex, they just like to cancel it too much. Burgundy integrated all but Holland before becoming my rightful subject and Provence integrated Lorraine prior to them also returning to their proper aleigience.

 

[seriousgigi]

idk if someone mentioned already but looks like georgia and other caucasian nations have lost their increased core cost.

 

[Sfan]

That was documented, however.