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So noone is gonna mention the weird new situation for Byzantium?
Many things changed for them.
Here a few:
1. Army and Naval compositions are slightly different.
2. First available "conquer mission" isn't for conquering Greece anymore, but the west-coast of Anatolia, due to weight changes in the trigger conditions of those missions.
3. Rivalries are really weird now. I've got rivaled by Hungary as Byzantium for example.

Those are only a few of many changes they did.

This is a sad day :(
 

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I think France guaranteeing Scotland is supposed to represent the Auld alliance, it was active until the Scottish king ascended to the English throne.
 

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Think it partly has something to do with Austrias manpower and starting army is so low. And request is honored if the manpower and FL is high.

Austria never have time to let it's manpower generate and thus will get alot of "No".
Having played Austria, and testing some things with de console this is definitely not the case. The AI will never accept demands for unlawful territory. No matter how small they are and how large you are.
 
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When will Paradox release a quick hotfix? Because AI always canceling diplo annexions and losing lots of diplo points. Starting vassals of Mamluks still are vassals of Mamluks in 1600s lol.
 

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I will check again the France Guarantee on Scotland to see how consistent it is and whether it depends on who the player starts as.

Results: games started as France, Scotland, and then Castile - France does not guarantee Scotland at game start.

Note that it is still quite likely for them to ally after game start due to mutual rival England.

Edit: OP updated with more changes, please feel free to suggest further additions to OP. Although I'll note that I'd rather any Ottoman-related stuff to be kept in the super-thread. That's all well and truly documented at this point IMO.
 
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France no longer garauntees Scotland at 1444. (confirmed, note that France and Scotland are still quite likely to ally after game start)
French Diplomat negotiating in Scotland on 1.23 now:

Typical+irish+film+characterbraveheart_c5b0c4_4731572.jpg


I don't understand this change from a gameplay aspect but from a historical aspect it may be due to this (pulled from Wikipedia):

"Through the rest of the 15th century the alliance was formally renewed four times. The eventual victory of France in the Hundred Years War combined with the turmoil in England following the War of the Roses meant that the English threat was greatly reduced, thus rendering the alliance almost obsolete."
 
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Just got an even called 'Learning From the Mistakes of Others' - it appears to be due to my King having the Well Advised trait. I got the options to spend 75 of any power to permanently increase the matching stat of my heir by 1. There was a 4th alternative the just lose 5 prestige. Never seen this event before, leading me to believe it is new in 1.23. Anyone able to shed any light there?

well advised.jpg


Edit: it appears this is not new, just new to me. Interesting none the less.
 
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HRE princes dont return unlawfull territory anymore! Bye bye ever doing a HRE run lol
Actually you want them to refuse. You get the CB and kick every single core out of them. You get a lot of bang for your buck out of a prince who tries to rebel.
 

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Yeh, For HRE, it seemed like if i demanded unlawful cores from someone and they accepted, i would get relations penalty to the electors for being a tyrant or something IIRC, But if they refused, they were the ones that ended up being hated and i got to war them. I only asked for land from people that would refuse or if i REALLY needed that peace of land to stay out of someones hands.
 

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Rebels seem to have changed again whereby you can get religious zealots rather than separatists (without ever sending a missionary to the province).

Time will tell but I think the ai particularly might struggle with this one. ie. if the rebels pop when their troops are busy elsewhere.
Next thing you know half their country's converted.