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Accept Peace and Make Korea a satellite state: Annex Korea Outright

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Annex Korea Outright

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~ Ōshiro Kazuki, Marquis of Okayama and Prime Minister of Japan
 

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((Just a clarification, when you guys are saying "annexation", you are not saying "protectorate". Establishing a Protectorate and Annexing (Conquest) are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS!

Protectorate = Locals still maintain control (Emperor of Korea remains in power), but our military and government "protect" the nation.

Annexation = Locals have no control, we incorporate that area into our country.

Yes, in Vicky-2, Korea will become a part of Japan with both CBs, its just on a RP level, one would see the suggestion of annexation and take it as full-blown-annexation.

I will give you some extra time to change your vote if you did not know the difference))
 

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Vote change:

Annex Korea Outright -> Protectorate ((Korea becomes colony provinces under direct Japanese rule.))

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Whilst Prince Date expressed his general indifference to the matter, devoting these interim period to planning a possible second phase to the war, his supporters in the Diet ultimately vote in favour of forcing Korea into Protectorate Status.

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((Alright based on the circumstances, I will take all the votes for annexation as "votes to incorporate Korea into Japan". I will leave it up to you guys to decide upon colonies or states after the election of 1877. I apologize for any confusion in this process.))

Final Tally (With Bonus):

Guide: Vassalize/Incorporate/Other/Abstain

What to do with Korea: 11/28/1/0

Korea will be incorporated into Japan as either a colony or state.
 

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((Private: Emperor, Privy Council, Ministers, and Militarists))


1875 War Plan

Continue the annexation of the Korean territories, with the goal of establishing a defensive position in Hamhung and Chonchon for their solidly defendable terrain – however many corps that can be placed there without placing too much pressure upon the supply lines (i.e., without causing high attrition) will be stationed there; reserve corps shall be moved to Pyongyang and Wonsan, respectively.

Should no Chinese offensive materialise, dispatch a corps first to occupy the remainder of the Korean peninsula, and then, accomplishing that, dispatch another corps first to occupy Jeju, and then to liberate Okinawa.

The Battle Fleet shall devote this time to scouting the Sino-Korean border, keeping the army informed, and defending the Home Islands from potential attack; should the transport fleet (in moving any units as needed to fulfil previous or future instructions, a detachment shall also be sent to ensure its protection).

~ Prince Date Munenari
 

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Oshiro (1874-1876): The Second Japanese Invasion of Korea Pt.2

The Diet had spoken. Korea would not be simply placated as a vassal, instead it must submit full autonomy to the Japanese Empire, and must obey the orders of the Meiji Emperor. Having been refused to keep his ancestral holding on the land his family had governed for centuries, Emperor Gojang retracted his offer of peace. "We shall fight until our cities are burning and our people dead on the streets!" he said. Date took that response as an initiative to continue the war against Korea. He printed out a second part to his plan, and ordered the Southern General Army into north Korea, an area that was filled with natural resources. The Korean army would suffer a huge defeat at the hands of the pursuing Imperial army, and the remainder of the Korean army would be broken. Korea had no standing army to defend itself, and Japan was free to conquer all of Korea.



With the war going so well, many in Japan felt that this conflict had finally earned them the respect in the international community they deserved. It was clear that industrially, militarily, and in prestige, that Japan was superior to many countries across the world. European countries were weaker in comparison to Japan. The international community saw Japan as a nation with potential, an upstart nation, a nation that has rose from nothing to become a superpower, a greatpower. Japan earned the title of Great Power, finally throwing off the shackles of European and American sovereignty that had once captured it in its icy grip. Japan was free to decide its own destiny, no more will the Nanban dictate to them, now Japan shall dictate to the Nanban! Japan is now a great country, a superpower, a world power, a contender on the international stage, and has finally, after decades of fighting Nanban influence, surpassed the Nanban entirely.




America was not keen on letting their interests in Asia slip away that easily. America decided to use the war in Korea to try and get Japan back under their control. Korea was loosing badly, and America decided that the best way to ensure Korean survival before the end of the war was to fund it. Millions in cash, guns, and supplies poured into Korea. Korean peasants armed themselves and engaged in guerrilla tactics against the Imperial Army, weakening it. However, the tide of the Japanese invasion could not be driven off course. By mid-1876, Japan had full control over the Korean peninsular, and surrounding islands. Gojang finally capitulated to the demands of the Japanese government, and surrendered.


(Japan and surrounding land after the surrender)

However the Diet needed to convene again at the wishes of Date Munenari. The Koreans had agreed to hand over sovereignty as requested by the Emperor of Japan. How much was the question for debate. Some stated that the Koreans should have local control to avoid instability. Others said full annexation should be an order. The debate dragged on. Unannounced to the Diet, the Koreans still had one more trick up their sleeves.

The regent of Korea was busy plotting. You see, Korea's liberal faction was at a time supportive of Japanese policy, so much that they were being called the "Pro-Japan" Faction. Gojang put these men into positions of power in his government, hence why the Koreans tried hard for peace with Japan at first, and continued to ask for peace. With the surrender of the Korean Empire, conservative and reactionary elements of the Korean government decided that it was time to take action to protect Korea from destruction. Under the leadership of the regent, they launched a coup to subdue the Emperor. Sadly, Emperor Gojang was killed in the ensuing fight, and full authority was given to the regent. The regent declared the treaty signed null, and prepped Seoul for war. Thousands of partisans fueled by American funds gathered in Seoul to prepare to march against the Japanese.

Date Munenari decided he would not let peasants ruin his plans for Imperial expansion. He decided to take action rather then wait for the Diet to make a decision. He ordered the entire expeditionary force to surround Seoul, and ordered the Koreans inside to stand down, or be destroyed. The regent denied this. Some say the regent was suicidal, others say he was full of patriotic zeal. Either way, the decision would have detrimental effects on the city of Seoul. Date Munenari would open up the siege of Seoul with a bombardment of the city. Explosive ordinance was sent over the walls of the city, causing fires. For a whole week, Seoul was blown apart by cannons and fires. After the week, Seoul was rushed by Imperial soldiers. Looting occurred on a massive scale, Koreans were executed on sight. Thousands of civilians, defenders, and government officials were shot down on the streets. Government officials were shot on site. The regent was captured and brought to Munenari himself, who sent him back to Japan to await trial. After a whole day of looting and pillaging and murder, Date Munenari said enough, and Seoul was placed under Japanese martial law.


(Propaganda of the time shows the Imperial Army, heroic in nature, fighting the evil Korean soldiers who killed their Emperor)


(In reality, the attack was a bath of fire, cannon, led, smoke, and untold destruction)


(Prisoners brought before Date Munenari)

As much destruction as Date Munenari did, he did a lot of good for the people of Korea. Provisions were ordered from the homeland to the Korean people who were starving from the conflict. Korean soldiers were buried in marked graves as a sign of honor. Imperial soldiers cleaned up Seoul, and buried those who were deemed "citizens". Schools were being ordered to teach the Koreans Japanese. Emperor Gojang's family was put under Japanese protection in Pusan. Non-martial goods of the Koreans who died in battle were sent to their families as a sign of respect. Yet, Munenari would still hold firm that Korea was now under his control. Army Corps were stationed in major cities across Korea. Scouts enforced the area looking for rebels. Fear of another mass attack like at Seoul kept the population in line. For his efforts, Emperor Meiji made Date Munenari the First Governor-General of Korea.

Investors also began seeking to tap into the untouched resources of the Korean peninsular. Investors were sent by the Ministry of Commerce to secure trade deals between those who owned the resources in Korea and businesses in Japan. The economy was soon experiencing a mini boom, with income rising.

Emperor Gojang was right, Korea did not surrender until their cities were burning and people were dead on the streets. Japan made sure they did though. Korea is now a Japanese colony, and the balance of power in Asia has forever been shifted.

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We are finally a great power and free of the Americans' common market. Not as quickly as we could have been, and at a terrible cost to our Korean brothers and sisters, but it has happened none the less. The rest is in the past, now we begin the long march to liberating the East from the Western Powers and becoming the masters of the Pacific.
 

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((Oh, and economists, you can now invest in foreign countries. Just send me a PM asking me if that country will allow foreign investment, and I will tell you yes or no.

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Chants would be heard throughout Korea, though none louder than the 3rd Corps led by Kusanagi Miroki as they yelled "banzai!!!"
 

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Over the course of these past few years, attempts have been made to divorce the army and navy from involving themselves within the affairs of state; whilst, on paper, a laudable goal, the effort’s primary effect is to render upon us a government largely untrained and inexperienced for war, and could very well undermine our position in Chosen, which shall almost certainly need a military figure to govern it for the foreseeable future. Furthermore, these attempts have allowed for the politicisation of the military by way of the War and Navy Ministers – whilst the present figure in those offices is indeed an experienced and capable leader, his successors might well be less suited for such a role.

Therefore I propose this new piece of legislation:

Military Preservation and Protection Act

Whereas the previous legislative attempts have made great efforts to curb the independence of the military and,

Whereas these efforts have undermined the unity and strata of command,

Therefore, it is deemed necessary and beneficial to divorce the offices of the War and Navy Ministries from that political class; instead, the interactions and affairs of the military shall be solely within the jurisdiction of those innately qualified and experienced to determine the domestic leadership of said role ((that is, the Militarists of the Empire shall all cast a vote for the War and Navy Minister(s))).

Furthermore, the efforts to defang the military by those who hold its interests, and therefore the interests of the Empire at large, by creating needless impediments and restrictions upon the most senior officials of the Imperial Services within the political sphere, wherein their voice is both wise and indeed necessary, is further deemed unsafe and must therefore be ended; the commanders of the great armies and navies of the Empire shall no longer be barred from holding political office.

((Private: Privy Council))

In taking review of both this institution and our recent entry into the upper echelons of political influence and intrigue, I have noticed two issues of concern; the first being a lack of a President of the Privy Council, or any such associated positions, in whom the power to lead the Council is found – such an absence has hitherto been of little concern. However, as we now find ourselves amongst those Great Powers, I feel it is time to rectify this small concern.

In the same vein, I believe it would be wise policy to establish for the Empire several orders and awards, akin to the British, French, and German systems of honour. Therefore, I propose the creation of these following orders of merit, from the most to the least prestigious:

Dai-kun'i kikka-shō / Order of the Chrysanthemum

Collar
Grand Cordon

Tōka shō / Order of the Paulownia Flowers

Grand Cordon

Kyokujitsu-shō / Order of the Rising Sun

Eight Classes (1st highest, 8th lowest)

Zuihō-shō / Order of the Sacred Treasure

Six Classes (1st highest, 6th lowest)

Hōkan-shō / Order of the Precious Crown

Eight Classes (1st highest, 8th lowest)

Hōshō / Medals of Honor

*To be awarded once a year on the Emperor’s birthday
Red ribbon: Awarded to individuals who have risked their own lives to save the lives of others.
Green ribbon: Awarded to children, grandchildren, wives and servants for remarkable acts of piety; and to individuals who, through their diligence and perseverance while engaging in their professional activities, became public role models.
Yellow ribbon: Awarded to individuals who, through their diligence and perseverance while engaging in their professional activities, became public role models.
Blue ribbon: First awarded in 1882. Awarded to individuals who have made significant achievements in the areas of public welfare or public service.

((Private: Emperor, Privy Council, Government, Militarists))

Imperial Army Structure, 1876

Taking into account our increasing presence on the world stage, and further taking note of the needs of defending our interests on the Korean peninsula, the Army and Navy General Staffs propose the following organisation for the Imperial Army and Navy:


XXXX Imperial Army / Teikoku Rikugun (296,000): Gensui HIH Prince Kuni Asahiko
XXX Northern General Army/Nōzan So Gun (120,000): Rikugun Taishō / Gensui Prince Date Munenari
XX Corps I. / Dai-ichi Gundan (30,000): Rikugun Chūjō Takeda Taro
(Edo)
XX Corps II. / Dai-Ni Gundan (30,000): Rikugun Chūjō (NA)
(Kanazawa)
XX Corps III. / Dai-San Gundan (30,000): Rikugun Chūjō (NA)
(Sendai)
XX Corps IV. / Dai-Shi Gundan (30,000): Rikugun Chūjō (NA)
(Sapporo)
XXX Southern General Army/Nanbu So Gun (120,000): Rikugun Taishō Takeda Taro
XX Corps I. / Dai-Ichi Gundan (30,000): Rikugun Chūjō (NA)
(Kyoto)
XX Corps II. / Dai-Ni Gundan (30,000): Rikugun Chūjō (NA)
(Kagoshima)
XX Corps III. / Dai-San Gundan (30,000): Rikugun Chūjō Kusenagi Miroki
(Matsuyama)
XX Corps IV. / Dai-Shi Gundan (30,000): Rikugun Chūjō (NA)
(Hiroshima)
All corps shall consist of 15,000 Infantrymen, 6,000 Cavalrymen, and 9,000 Artillerymen

XXX Korean Expeditionary Army / Chōsenensei-gun (54,000): Rikugun Taishō ()
XX Northern Guard / Nōzan gādo-gun (18,000): Rikugun Chūjō ()
(Pyongyang)
XX Central Guard / Chūō gādo-gun (18,000): Rikugun Chūjō ()
(Taejon)
XX Southern Guard / Nanbu gādo-gun (18,000): Rikugun Chūjō ()
(Pusan)

Both garrison forces shall comprise of 6,000 Infantrymen, 3,000 Cavalrymen, and 6,000 Artillerymen.

*Until such a time as all the corps of the Korean Expeditionary Army are raised, the Southern General Army shall remain to garrison Chosen.

Furthermore, to better allow for the Imperial Navy to function, the following ship numbers are suggested.

Imperial Navy / Teikoku Kaigun: Gensui HIH Prince Kuni Asahiko

Battle Fleet / Batorufurīto (5MoW, 20 CR, 15 FRG): Kaigun taishō Unryu Raizo
(10 IC, 40 CR)
Reconnaissance Fleet / Teisatsukantai: Kaigun shōshō (NA)
(5 MoW, 10 FRG)
Transport Fleet /Yusō Sendan (5 FRG, 20 ST): Kaigun shōshō (NA)
(10 FRG, 25 ST)
Merchant Marine / Shōsen (Commercial vessels): Kaigun shōshō (NA)

*Presently, the construction of Ironclads is not yet possible within the Empire, and therefore it is highly recommended that such techniques are imported into Nippon, and the ports expanded as needed to allow for the construction of such vessels.

**The Reconnaissance Fleet shall comprise entirely of older vessels of the battle-fleet, which retard its movement, and leave the fleet too inflexible; in utilising a third fleet, we gain greater strategic mobility.


For further reference, the officer ranks of the Imperial Japanese Army (and Foreign Equivalent), and the officer ranks of the Imperial Japanese Navy (and Foreign Equivalent):

Dai-Gensui (Grand Marshal)
Gensui (Marshal)
Rikugun Taishō (General)
Rikugun Chūjō (Lieutenant General)
Rikugun Shōshō (Major General)
Rikugun Taisa (Colonel)
Rikugun Chūsa (Lieutenant Colonel)
Rikugun Shōsa (Major)
Rikugun Taii (Captain)
Rikugun Chūi (First Lieutenant)
Rikugun Shōi (Second Lieutenant)

Dai-Gensui (Grand Marshal)
Gensui kaigun taishō (Marshal Admiral)
Kaigun taishō (Admiral)
Kaigun chūshō (Vice Admiral)
Kaigun shōshō (Rear Admiral)
Kaigun chūsa (Commander)
Kaigun shōsa (Lieutenant Commander)
Kaigun daii (Lieutenant)
Kaigun chūi (Sub-Lieutenant)
Kaigun shōi (Ensign)


((Officer Traits:

Gensui Date Munenari (Open-minded, School of Offence): +10% ORG, +10% MOR, +10% SPD, +1 ATK (Riccardo)
Kaigun Taishō Unryu Raizo (Diplomatic, Diplomat): -5% SPD, +15% EXP (Corbusier)
Rikugun Chūjō Kusenagi Miroki (Cartographer, Inspiring): +40% SPD, +10% MOR (Terraferma)
Rikugun Taishō Takeda Taro (Innovative Tactician, Keen): +1 ATK, +.15 RCN, +5% ORG (Marshall)
Kaigun Chūsa Takeda Hitomi (traits?): (things here?) (Cheef)
(PM me or have Naxhi inform me on IRC if I forgot anyone)))

~ Prince Date Munenari, Chief of the Army General Staff, Chief of the Navy General Staff, Governor-General of Chosen, Commander of the Northern General Army, and Privy Councillor
 
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The Privy Council is an advisory body to the reigning Emperor and nothing more. There is no need for it to have a leader or president, as this role is already served by the Emperor.

-- Hosokawa-dono
 

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The Privy Council is an advisory body to the reigning Emperor and nothing more. There is no need for it to have a leader or president, as this role is already served by the Emperor.

-- Hosokawa-dono

Lord Hosokawa, that is indeed true - the Council is but an advisory body, much like the other Privy Councils of the monarchical Great Powers; and yet, most all of them possess a president or head of that body, if only to allow for more structured and stratified leadership. Seeing as we now join those powers, surely it would be advantageous to adopt elements that have aided in their strong and cohesive leadership, as we have done in the past?

~ Prince Date Munenari, etc., etc., etc.
 

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Marshal Prince Date, instead of militarists voting for the Ministers of War and the Navy, why not incorporate them into the military; and allow the Chief of the General Staff or militarists appointed by him to control the building of forts and naval bases and the like? As the sponsor of the regional administration act, I can tell you that the more complicated a new law the less chance it has of being implemented quickly or effectively.

Of course, working with civilians will always be necessary; we won't have Ironclads much less be ready for the next generation of warships if Japan doesn't invest in naval technologies. Militarists can't take all these roles, and we cannot limit research only to the military realm, as those priorities must be balanced with the industrial and theoretical fields.
 

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((Private Prince Date))

To the honorable Governor-General of Korea:

Congratulations on your recent victory, sir. Now that the Korean question has been resolved in your favor, I wish to heal the wounds that Korea has brought between our two parties and bring us back closer together in mutual cooperation; after all, what good is a house divided against itself?
First, I strongly urge that you preserve the culture of the Korean people you preside over, namely by teaching both Korean and Japanese language and culture in the schools to produce loyal Japanese citizens while also keeping militancy low by making them know that while they are Japanese citizens, their way of life will not be exterminated. Correct me if I am wrong, but has the Korean culture proven incompatible with modernity and our shared goal to liberate Asia from the gaijin?

Regards,
~Prince Sakamoto Naotari, etc.

((Public))


I submit the following bill for review by the Diet:

The Reform of Health-care Act
1. All Japanese citizens, including Koreans, will be provided with basic medical coverage, allowing them to seek medical care at the nearest hospital and/or clinic, which will be staffed with professional doctors and nurses trained through the Imperial University system (see Reform of Education Act). There are no penalties for not enrolling in the healthcare program, and enrolling is free.
2. The government will pay for a fraction of each citizen's medical expenses using taxpayer funds. This fraction is inversely proportional to the citizen's yearly income (poorer citizens pay less than richer citizens, within reason).
3. Hospitals and clinics shall be set up in areas where they are most necessary (rural, low-income, etc.).
4. ((Health-care reform set to "Acceptable"))