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Alright an other question arises: how it is decided who leads your army? I noticed reading many AARs that everybody has generally their marshal leading their armies. How do you do that? When I raise my army and merge it it is my crapy martial ruler that leads them, when I have a great marshal (isn't what a marshal is for?).
The only time I see my marshal leading my army is when my ruler is a kid or woman (start out as duchess in Brittany) and when his regiment is not merged with my ruler.
The only time I see my marshal leading my army is when my ruler is a kid or woman (start out as duchess in Brittany) and when his regiment is not merged with my ruler.
Baranov said:
I believe, and Veld or Jord certinly will correct and enlighten me, that your ruler leads his primary army (usually your provinces)... and your marshal leads your secondary army (usually vassels). If all of your armies are combined, I believe that your ruler leads. If you have many armies, then you lead the primary, your marshal leads the secondary, and some unknown character leads the others.
Playing as Brittany? Which version? Definetly consider More Kingdoms, as it allows for a plausable Kingdom of Brittany.
About the vassals armies I'm not sure about what you are saying. I noticed that these regiments are generally lead by someone of the vassal's court.
Yeah I play with the More kingdoms mod, I want to create a powerful kingdom of Brittany. But alas it is my 5rd try and I keep getting stomped.
First try I managed to conquer part of whales, ireland and scotland. then England DOW on me and bye bye.
Second Time I got part of whales again, part of duchy of Barcelona (taken form muslism), then got owned by an English-French coalition.
Third time I managed to take the athens region form byzance (DOW on England my ally) theb took the kingdom of Navarra from the muslisms , then got dowed by England and bye bye.
I am in my fourth time now and kind of cheated to renmain alive. If I get downed by christian kingdoms, I negotiate a reasanoble peace treaty (like I renounce claims and gold), send the proposition, save, then reload as the aggressor and accept the treaty. Without this cheat I would have never survived beyond 1130. But I have dropped it since I feel I ma not winning by the rules.
In all cases I managed to get low BB (generally a respectable reputaion) and even became the papal controller. I noticed I get owned by England or France generally because they have claims on me and have big ass amy's.
Gnerally France dow on me at the beguinning, so I become his vassal for portection. Then I gather enought gold and prwstige, then become Queen of Brittany, while France is torned apart.
But england seems to love raping me, because everytime at one point he dow on me and I never seem to have enought territory to hold him off. It's getting frustrating because I had better luck with the count of Asturias of Oviedo becoming duke then King and freing Spain.
Yeah I play with the More kingdoms mod, I want to create a powerful kingdom of Brittany. But alas it is my 5rd try and I keep getting stomped.
First try I managed to conquer part of whales, ireland and scotland. then England DOW on me and bye bye.
Second Time I got part of whales again, part of duchy of Barcelona (taken form muslism), then got owned by an English-French coalition.
Third time I managed to take the athens region form byzance (DOW on England my ally) theb took the kingdom of Navarra from the muslisms , then got dowed by England and bye bye.
I am in my fourth time now and kind of cheated to renmain alive. If I get downed by christian kingdoms, I negotiate a reasanoble peace treaty (like I renounce claims and gold), send the proposition, save, then reload as the aggressor and accept the treaty. Without this cheat I would have never survived beyond 1130. But I have dropped it since I feel I ma not winning by the rules.
In all cases I managed to get low BB (generally a respectable reputaion) and even became the papal controller. I noticed I get owned by England or France generally because they have claims on me and have big ass amy's.
Gnerally France dow on me at the beguinning, so I become his vassal for portection. Then I gather enought gold and prwstige, then become Queen of Brittany, while France is torned apart.
But england seems to love raping me, because everytime at one point he dow on me and I never seem to have enought territory to hold him off. It's getting frustrating because I had better luck with the count of Asturias of Oviedo becoming duke then King and freing Spain.
Never war France and England both! Get sure to have one of them at your side, and you can withstand.
Well when I start the game I am allied with England, so It's okay. But at some point they cease their alliance with me. Does the alliance shatters when the of the rulers dies? Or is it when one of the parties negates to engage in a war? Also when I try to from again an alliance with one of the powers, they both refuse despite my low BB, good prestige and piety (heck I work my ass off to get them high, with my poor kingdom).
Playing small countries like Brittany and Wales is very difficult. Especially Brittany and Wales. Brittany was front and center to both Angevin, Norman, and French interests.
Trust the histroic stratigy of Breton and Welsh rulers by playing England off of France, and vice versa.
While allied to King William of England, it is good stratigy to submit to France, as this is the way to play the two off of each other. When France and England eventually war, you can choose where to send your armies... to the aid of England, your ally, or to France, your leige.
As Prince of Gwynedd or King of Wales, I have byzantine-cheated and forced a double allience before, and have been allied with the Kingdom of Scotland and France once. I do not think this a real cheat as it mimics the 'Auld Allience' formed between France and Scotland, and included Norway.
As Brittany, a simular stratigy for you would prehaps be to Byzantine cheat an allience with Scotland, or any kingdom level power, but you can only do this if your initial allience with England were broken by either a death on their side or yours. I think it horrid that you can not have more then one allience at a time, and think it should be fixed.
Downside: If as vassel of France, and you chose to rebel and not aide him and become independent, he will get claims on Brittany. I have to see what the economic value is of the Breton counties too, prehaps they are neglected. I do not know, for I know little of Breton economic values in the middle ages at the moment. Wales received an update.
As Brittany, it is a good idea to look for nearby territories to take, rather then a desperate Habsburg like creation spaning far off provinces that would be economically difficult to manage. Near Brittany, look for expansion into Galacia, Ireland (Munster prehaps). Prehaps even look to take the Aquitaine somehow.
If you become king level, then it is more difficult for other kings to claim your titles, though they still can claim your vassels. The claim on a vassel is determined by the economic richness of a province, and I do not remember what Breton levels are at honestly.
Hawise will be succeeded by her son Konan IV, who will rule over Rennes, Nantes, and Cornwall (Kerne). This is when you will get more income, and are able to invest more in your infastructure. Become king ASAP, and expand to nearby locations. I like to peck at Morraco on ocasion, Cetba and Tangiers for instance.
Trust the histroic stratigy of Breton and Welsh rulers by playing England off of France, and vice versa.
While allied to King William of England, it is good stratigy to submit to France, as this is the way to play the two off of each other. When France and England eventually war, you can choose where to send your armies... to the aid of England, your ally, or to France, your leige.
As Prince of Gwynedd or King of Wales, I have byzantine-cheated and forced a double allience before, and have been allied with the Kingdom of Scotland and France once. I do not think this a real cheat as it mimics the 'Auld Allience' formed between France and Scotland, and included Norway.
As Brittany, a simular stratigy for you would prehaps be to Byzantine cheat an allience with Scotland, or any kingdom level power, but you can only do this if your initial allience with England were broken by either a death on their side or yours. I think it horrid that you can not have more then one allience at a time, and think it should be fixed.
Downside: If as vassel of France, and you chose to rebel and not aide him and become independent, he will get claims on Brittany. I have to see what the economic value is of the Breton counties too, prehaps they are neglected. I do not know, for I know little of Breton economic values in the middle ages at the moment. Wales received an update.
As Brittany, it is a good idea to look for nearby territories to take, rather then a desperate Habsburg like creation spaning far off provinces that would be economically difficult to manage. Near Brittany, look for expansion into Galacia, Ireland (Munster prehaps). Prehaps even look to take the Aquitaine somehow.
If you become king level, then it is more difficult for other kings to claim your titles, though they still can claim your vassels. The claim on a vassel is determined by the economic richness of a province, and I do not remember what Breton levels are at honestly.
Hawise will be succeeded by her son Konan IV, who will rule over Rennes, Nantes, and Cornwall (Kerne). This is when you will get more income, and are able to invest more in your infastructure. Become king ASAP, and expand to nearby locations. I like to peck at Morraco on ocasion, Cetba and Tangiers for instance.
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Thx for the advice. I myself have read the whole history of Brittanny, so yeah I know that playing france against England is the way to go. But I need to know how make a get england or france to agree to form an alliance.
Also Brittany should get their provinces income revised like whales. I know for a fact that nantes was very rich because it was the gateway of commerce along the Loire.
Also the province which owns Brest, should get better income since it was the biggest port in all of brittanny and controled much trade between the north and south.
Rennes should also get income upgrade since because Saint-Malo an other great port in there also. Vannes had salt producing mines, the famous Sel de Guerande, which is a unique type of salt (I love it).
So you see Brittany was a great center of trade because most northern sea traders went throught there to go to the sout and vice-versa. I think that in general, many regions in the CK income map need to be revised.
Also Brittany should get their provinces income revised like whales. I know for a fact that nantes was very rich because it was the gateway of commerce along the Loire.
Also the province which owns Brest, should get better income since it was the biggest port in all of brittanny and controled much trade between the north and south.
Rennes should also get income upgrade since because Saint-Malo an other great port in there also. Vannes had salt producing mines, the famous Sel de Guerande, which is a unique type of salt (I love it).
So you see Brittany was a great center of trade because most northern sea traders went throught there to go to the sout and vice-versa. I think that in general, many regions in the CK income map need to be revised.
My new strategy is to play safe, maybe get some provinces in ireland and whales, maybe submit to france. Then when civil war errupts, with the southern duchys like Toulouse and Aquitaine, I come bashing against France.
Also I will prevent myself from doing long expeditions and focus on Fench-English politics more.
Also I will prevent myself from doing long expeditions and focus on Fench-English politics more.
Baranov said:
Who leads a stack is decided by titles, first by type, then by number. So your king will always lead whatever stack he is merged with.
And where titles are equal, all are counts, all are courtiers, etc, whoever is at the top of the list leads, no matter if he comes from your court or one of your vassals.
I could be wrong, but I always thought that rulers got the benefit of thier martial's skill when leading armies. If not, then it'd be best if some of my kings never took to the field...
oDrachenfire said:
wasn't this possible pre 1.05 in vanilla, and isn't it available now in dv? I keep seeing a tooltip saying my king doesn't have enough diplomacy to have more than one alliance, and with my 2 to 4 diplomacy kings, I have to agree. I wonder if the chancellor has to close audiences with something like " That'll be all for now, he's getting cranky because it's 12:00 and time for his nap"
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Ill start looking into revising Breton income levels for the next release of DVIP, let me get with Jord, and yourself in the DVIP, and anyone else interested. I agree with your assessment on Breton incomes too.
Puritan said:Who leads a stack is decided by titles, first by type, then by number. So your king will always lead whatever stack he is merged with.
And where titles are equal, all are counts, all are courtiers, etc, whoever is at the top of the list leads, no matter if he comes from your court or one of your vassals.
I could be wrong, but I always thought that rulers got the benefit of thier martial's skill when leading armies. If not, then it'd be best if some of my kings never took to the field...
wasn't this possible pre 1.05 in vanilla, and isn't it available now in dv? I keep seeing a tooltip saying my king doesn't have enough diplomacy to have more than one alliance, and with my 2 to 4 diplomacy kings, I have to agree. I wonder if the chancellor has to close audiences with something like " That'll be all for now, he's getting cranky because it's 12:00 and time for his nap"
Thanks Puritan!
And I didnt know that about multiple alliences! We need more input on that stratigy!
wait your adding me in the DVIP team? But I don't know or time to mod. I can just contribute with my modest knowledge (a would be historian).
Nantes has a base-income of 5, which is a good income for a province. It is the same income as f.e. Toledo, Barcelona, Cologne, Provence (Marseille), Hamburg, Gotland, Napoli, Siracusa, Salzburg, Moscow, Tunis and Jerusalem. All of them important cities, bigger then Nantes or trade-centres. If you start messing with province-income, then you need to take into consideration the whole map, not just a small part of it.
Now, if you can come up with evidence that Nantes was richer then all those other cities then please do so.
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Here a list of all the provinces with an income of 5. So I would say that Nantes is in very good company.
Norfolk
Suffolk
Kent
Zeeland
Holland
Sticht
Breda
Hainaut
Amiens
Avranches
Nantes
Maine
Vendome
Blois
Luxembourg
Köln
Nordgau
Lorraine
Sens
Besancon
Tourraine
Poitiers
Limousin
Asturias de Oviedo
Malaga
Calatayud
Leon
Toledo
Barcelona
Agen
Provence
Chalons
Hamburg
Västergötland
Gotland
Ansbach
Brescia
Verona
Parma
Napoli
Messina
Siracusa
Ravenna
Padova
Oberbayern
Marienburg
Zhmud
Upper Silesia
Hradec Kralove
Pressburg
Salzburg
Steiermark
Usora
Adrianopolis
Sieradzko-Leczyckie
Plock
Sandomierskie
Lyubech
Desht-i-Kipchak
Sharukan
Tver
Rostov
Moskva
Ryazan
Suzdal
Abkhazia
Imeretia
Kuma
Nishapur
Shiraz
Tabriz
Kakheti
Trapezous
Kurdistan
Mosul
Al Jazira
Smyrna
Jerusalem
Tunis
when I play Welsh or Brittainy, I like to pursure an Irish expansion strategy as my territory there will give me a bit of strategic depth (giving me time to maneuver my smaller armies and recapture lost holdings) against the more powerful English and French.
Veldmaarschalk said:Nantes has a base-income of 5, which is a good income for a province. It is the same income as f.e. Toledo, Barcelona, Cologne, Provence (Marseille), Hamburg, Gotland, Napoli, Siracusa, Salzburg, Moscow, Tunis and Jerusalem. All of them important cities, bigger then Nantes or trade-centres. If you start messing with province-income, then you need to take into consideration the whole map, not just a small part of it.
Now, if you can come up with evidence that Nantes was richer then all those other cities then please do so.
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Yes, a level of 5 is very good like Veld says. I couldnt recommnd anything higher then that... but what are the other Breton income levels? Ill check when I get home I think. Or tomorrow. My gut tells me that an income spread for Brittany would look something like this:
Nantes 5
Rennes 4 or 5
Gwened / Vannes 3 or 4
Penteur / Penthièvre 3 or 4
Kernev / Cornouaille 2 or 3
Leon / Léon 2 or 3
Range would be between 16 and 24
What are your thoughts, baranov and Veld?
Very good stratigy, and yes Ive presued this too. But I usually honesty try and carve our Morraco rather then conqure Ireland. Though I do remember one adventure where I did manage to conqure England once! I dont remember how I did it. Another time, I married my male heir to his female heir, and England and Wales was united in a personal union of their children.
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Counts and Dukes (Counts especially) don't have much additional protection, though. Kings are practically unkillable, but I have had good luck assassinating Counts and mixed luck assassinating Dukes.King of Men said:
Drachenfire said:
Morroco is excellent as the AI willl go after your holdings there last (unless the K of France or England has land in Algiers, which happens). Extreme depth, and it wil take years for him to sial there, if you are lucky.
btw, I have a house rule about limiting expansion in North Africa; I don't like to run out of muslims, so I will go all greenpeace on them at some point.
Nantes stays at 5
Rennes 4
Vannes4
Penthièvre 3
Cournailler 2
Leon 3
A grand total of 21
EDIT: oh yeah whats byzance-peace?
Rennes 4
Vannes4
Penthièvre 3
Cournailler 2
Leon 3
A grand total of 21
EDIT: oh yeah whats byzance-peace?