Unable to raid West Francia?

[BD13]

Hey all. Playing the Saxons and for whatever reason I am unable to raid West Francia. I have lots of experience with the game but little with tribes and raiding. I am able to raid other pagans and I was able to raid West Francia earlier in the game. Now my raiders just stand around. I have tried reloading. I do have a truce with them... Does that prevent raiding? All troops are from demense and some raiders from my marshal. No mercs raised. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong? Thanks!


Raiding other pagans

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Raiders standing around in West Francia

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All raised armies with raiding selected.

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[smellymummy]

I know in the recent patches they made it where if my raiders got defeated, then I couldn't raid that specific country anymore. The raiding stacks would behave just like in your screenshots. It doesn't show anywhere how long the effect lasts, but it does eventually go away.

Or maybe it's because you got a truce, but I could've sworn I've raided countries that I had a truce with many times...

Though all of this was playing norse pagans, so maybe that's different

 

[Dragonovith]

Did you set them to raid?

 

[StarSword]

Did you set them to raid?

See his third screenshot (he spoilered it). Yes, he did.

It's been a while since I needed to raid (I've been playing CM Irish, who can only raid during the tribal period, and I've been feudal for over a century), but I think @smellymummy may have the answer. Did West Francia ever catch a raiding party and defeat it?

 

[Maeldun]

From the 2.5.2 changelog:

- Looters who shatter won't be able to loot that province's owner for a while anymore

It sounds like your looters got shattered by West Francia.

 

[BD13]

I know in the recent patches they made it where if my raiders got defeated, then I couldn't raid that specific country anymore. The raiding stacks would behave just like in your screenshots. It doesn't show anywhere how long the effect lasts, but it does eventually go away.

Did West Francia ever catch a raiding party and defeat it?

Your right I retreated from a province and it counts as a shattered retreat.

I wish I could say how long "for awhile" lasted but I gave up after awhile. My first king is long since dead and I can raid W. Francia again. Also it wasn't specific to a county or the troops that got caught. It prevented all my demense troops from raiding even though it was just the marshals raiders that got caught.

Thanks all for the help.

Edit: Maeldun beat me on patch note.

 

[Alcadizzar19]

It doesn't necessarily even have to be *you* that gets defeated but from your realm if you're a vassal. I was playing as Brunswick yesterday and I was unable to loot even though I was not defeated when another Saxon's raiders were defeated.

 

[Maeldun]

Your right I retreated from a province and it counts as a shattered retreat.

I wish I could say how long "for awhile" lasted but I gave up after awhile.

According to this value in defines.lua, the default is 5 years (60 months). I assume that this is attached to the ruler whose army was shattered, so it does not survive his death should he expire before then.

SHATTERED_RETREAT_FORBIDDEN_LOOT_MONTHS = 60,        -- How many months a character will be forbidden to raid an enemy after their armies shatter

 

[StarSword]

According to this value in defines.lua, the default is 5 years (60 months). I assume that this is attached to the ruler whose army was shattered, so it does not survive his death should he expire before then.

SHATTERED_RETREAT_FORBIDDEN_LOOT_MONTHS = 60,        -- How many months a character will be forbidden to raid an enemy after their armies shatter

Interesting to know. Does it say whether this applies to the AI or just to players?

 

[Bernard95]

I was wondering why I couldn't raid Crete after they had repelled me once. You'd think maybe there would be something on your character sheet to remind you when the timer is up, just like a truce.