Unable to create or usurp because title is inactive...

[mrinku]

Okay, current game is my attempt to pick up a bunch of Norse achievements, one of which is "Norse East" which requires you to hold the Kingdom of Mongolia.

...however, while I'm making great progress conquering east, that title has gone inactive, apparently due to running out of heirs (as advised by the title history). This may have happened during a massive meltdown of the nomads a while back, which I've been exploiting.

Title screen says it can't be usurped, because no one owns it, and that it can't be created either.

This is a big enough thing that I might well abandon the game and move on to other achievement runs, so I would like to know: is there is any hope at all of getting the title? Would be prepared to keep going to become the dejure Emperor of the region if that is what is required to obtain it (heck, I'm well on the way towards that...)

 

[eastcoastceojam]

Sorry, I don't have an answer to your question, but I'd like to know the answer as well. I just started a similar run, and I would hate to get most of the way there and lose the chance to get the Kingdom of Mongolia title.

Just curious, did you start in 769 or 867, and when did you notice Mongolia's kingdom title had vanished?

 

[DPS]

You should be able to create it. Some kingdom titles have special requirements to create, but Mongolia isn't one of them, at least according to the CKII Wiki.

 

[mrinku]

Okay, in the interests of research, I'll keep at it Maybe creating the Empire of Tartaria will give me the option?

To answer you questions, it was a 769 start and I only noticed it the other day. According to the title history (Kingdom of Uyghur), it was founded in 744 and went inactive in 1090 when Oghul Ad'iid, last of his dynasty, died of natural causes at age 49. There WAS a lot of black death around that time as I recall...

Current year is 1214.

Just finished a Great Holy War on the occupiers of a chunk of it. However, the Mongols have just arrived and doomstacks threaten to derail the whole process.

Edit:
Thought I'd try buttering up to Temujin. Amusing tooltip.

 

[mrinku]

Update:

It DOES let me declare a Great Holy War for the title, even though it is still inactive, so that may fix things up.

GHW failed, but they're down to 30k event troops.

 

[majdavlk]

Maybe winning a crusade could create that title?

I have similar issues where e_roman_empire got destroyed and it cant be recreated as it has never in creation condition. And e_byzantium holds a lot of dejure land but has turned inactive durning the event to get roman empire

 

[mrinku]

Maybe winning a crusade could create that title?

I have similar issues where e_roman_empire got destroyed and it cant be recreated as it has never in creation condition. And e_byzantium holds a lot of dejure land but has turned inactive durning the event to get roman empire

Yeah, I can declare a GHW for the inactive title, so I have hope that may do it.

Mongols are now Hindu and down to low troop numbers, so as soon as the GHW timer ticks over, it's on.

 

[majdavlk]

Yeah, I can declare a GHW for the inactive title, so I have hope that may do it.

Mongols are now Hindu and down to low troop numbers, so as soon as the GHW timer ticks over, it's on.

i think that non christian great holy wars cant create titles

 

[mrinku]

i think that non christian great holy wars cant create titles

In this case it's an inactive dejure title, not a special crusader state one. The title has previously existed in this save, but went inactive when there were no valid heirs. Which seems to lock out both Usurpation and creation from below (have not been able to check if the de Jure Empire is allowed to restore it, but I'm guessing is possible).

The game definitely does let you declare a GHW for it; I'm in the process of my second attempt of that. This time they have only about 1k of event troops left and no powerful allies (they went Hindu and neither of the other big Hindu realms are close enough to the war to jump in on religious grounds - and weren't allied through other means). Will report back on how that all goes; while I have overwhelming force, the trouble is GETTING the troops there from Europe, and dealing with winter attrition in my own territory.

EDIT:
Welp, I've finally won the Holy War to take the Kingdom... no change. Despite now having formed the de jure Empire that includes this Kingdom AND having every County AND every de jure Duchy of it under my control it still will not let me create the title (because inactive) or usurp it (because no owner. That at least is fair enough).

At this point, I'm prepared to call it a bug, or at least a design flaw.