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Where is fun for player when AI GB take all Asia, Africa ,and you can't do anything?
If GB is managing to shut down your gameplay, you're doing something wrong.
 

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I had a big war with Russia, France, Spain and Austria as the North German Federation. Britain was unhelpful, at best... they dropped some forces in France, which scored a victory or two, were driven back, were reinforced...they never managed to occupy any territory by the end of it, and France had plenty of forces to spare for me. The navy did blockade French and Spanish ports, but then the huge Russian Baltic fleet came out to play, and simply destroyed the British completely; the largest British fleet I saw in one provinces was half the size of the stack the Russian navy was using.

I definitely agree that the UK isn't using its power adequately, both naval and militarily. They're not making the wise decision to stay out of wars, and they're not deciding to hang back; they attack but do so in a way that gets them crushed by lesser powers.
 

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I had a big war with Russia, France, Spain and Austria as the North German Federation. Britain was unhelpful, at best... they dropped some forces in France, which scored a victory or two, were driven back, were reinforced...they never managed to occupy any territory by the end of it, and France had plenty of forces to spare for me. The navy did blockade French and Spanish ports, but then the huge Russian Baltic fleet came out to play, and simply destroyed the British completely; the largest British fleet I saw in one provinces was half the size of the stack the Russian navy was using.

I definitely agree that the UK isn't using its power adequately, both naval and militarily. They're not making the wise decision to stay out of wars, and they're not deciding to hang back; they attack but do so in a way that gets them crushed by lesser powers.

Exactly. I am seeing the UK being bested far too often in what is meant to be its Golden Age.
 

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I had a big war with Russia, France, Spain and Austria as the North German Federation. Britain was unhelpful, at best...

I had this exact same situation, only with Spain in the UK/NGF Alliance. I was absolutely crushed by the Austro-Russian-French alliance, and wondered what the UK was doing. Turns out it was, is is seemingly the norm, camping out in Ireland. I only managed to get a separate white peace offer due to the timely invention of the machine gun, which allowed me to save the capital from angry Russians.
 

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The invasion AI was improved in HoD, and further improved in the beta patch. Sadly it's still not very good, but the UK should at least try to contribute now and again.
 

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The invasion AI was improved in HoD, and further improved in the beta patch. Sadly it's still not very good, but the UK should at least try to contribute now and again.

The North German Federation situation I described above happened in the beta patch. Britain did contribute, in that their armies didn't hang about in the British Isles, but they got kicked in the teeth.
 

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I do believe there is some sort of advancements in the invasion AI, as before HOD, playing Japan you'd never hear from the likes of Germany, France of Austria as even if they DOW'd you, theyd necer actually do anything about. In my latest japan game, a DOW on Russia caused Germany to attack me, and they did send ships all the way across the world to attack me in Vietnam. So yes, the AI can do overseas invasions if it so wishes to. I think the UK is just must less intereted in it, which as others have said, its not entirely unhistorical.

As for the naval part of warfare, yes they should be much more agressive, but I believe this was fixed in the latest patch.

Yeah, they can now land a stack or two, but launching a successful invasion requires much more than that (unless they are attacking a minor).
Another problem is that the A.I. is (was? don't have the patch yet) reluctant to fully engage in places that are too far from their land. I fought once all GPs as the USA, Russians occupied one province in Idaho, then retreated to Alaska. Same thing with others on the east coast. Occupied one province, then just sat there and waited for annihilation. Even though all my armies were in Canada at that time and they could have just marched to Washington if they wanted.
 

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The invasion AI was improved in HoD, and further improved in the beta patch. Sadly it's still not very good, but the UK should at least try to contribute now and again.

Well you seem to have done something, first time i see uk invading france
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They are walking in there through the strait from Dover, not invading using ships.

Invasion AI changes are elsewhere (try Ostend Manifesto with the USA for example).
 

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They are walking in there through the strait from Dover, not invading using ships.

Invasion AI changes are elsewhere (try Ostend Manifesto with the USA for example).

You need ships to cross the channel...
 

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They are walking in there through the strait from Dover, not invading using ships.

Invasion AI changes are elsewhere (try Ostend Manifesto with the USA for example).
I don't think there is a strait there?
 

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You need ships to cross the channel...

If the ships is in the centre they can use it like a bridge.

EDIT: I was wrong, see below.
 
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I don't think there is a strait there?

One was added in this beta patch, mostly as an experiment as it greatly improves the UK's ability to project power in Europe, but we wanted to know if people were noticing them getting overrun much more often.
 

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One was added in this beta patch, mostly as an experiment as it greatly improves the UK's ability to project power in Europe, but we wanted to know if people were noticing them getting overrun much more often.

Is this temporary? I think it would be better if it was made so the British actually learned to embrace the Navy (for once) rather than letting France control the seas without competition...
 

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Is this temporary? I think it would be better if it was made so the British actually learned to embrace the Navy (for once) rather than letting France control the seas without competition...

The whole naval AI needs a rewrite frankly, but I wouldn't expect that in any patch. Maybe if we get another expansion. The strait is meant to be permanent, though we'll see how it works out before making any decision on that.
 

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I also noticed that even when the UK did have a sizeable fleet, they were short on transports, which means they would land a 50k stack and then they have to go back and get another one. Only exception could be parking the transport fleet in straits of dover and using it as a land bridge. But other than that it means, a few weeks at least between landing, more often a few months. This 50k will just be devastated by the local armies of a GP and will only be efficient against small countries.
 

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In a quick Austria game I played, I allied with France, and Prussia allied with the UK. I invade Prussia. Prussia invades me back. The UK sends its armies down to French occupied Rhineland. So France just invades the UK and occupied half the island.
 

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It was added in the beta patch, iirc?
 

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The whole naval AI needs a rewrite frankly, but I wouldn't expect that in any patch. Maybe if we get another expansion. The strait is meant to be permanent, though we'll see how it works out before making any decision on that.

Ah, the new naval battles are really good so that is a shame. I suppose, if there is another Expansion, it should be entirely focused on wars and military, perhaps trying to increase the chance of the Crimean War and such too. Along with that could come some long awaited British Sprite packs and music packs too!

I also strongly dislike the idea of Britain being 'attached' to Mainland Europe. Seems to take its largest advantage away from it, and just 'feels' wrong. That's just me though.